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Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game colo
Posted By: Dragonclaws <nogard@gmail.com>Date: 7/3/12 2:11 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game colo (Cody Miller)


: How can you not want to read thinking about intent? Art is expression, so the
: very essence of art itself is the intent! Anybody who evaluates work this
: way is a terrible critic.

: Done. I've made my points. You've got the last word.

I don't think General Battuta is explaining it right. Here's my take: Every piece of art is made with intent, but the artist's intent does not dictate what it means. An artist can make something horribly sexist unintentionally because he himself is sexist. Analyzing the work and concluding that it is sexist is a judgment on the artist. The "death of the author" just says that the artist can't say "it's not sexist" and have that be taken as objective fact just because he created it. The artist does not have a god's perspective, only his flawed human one. Despite the artist's intent, we can criticize a work and the artist by extension.

For another example, I recently reviewed a bad piece of fanfiction I concluded to have racist undertones. Why? The white protagonists tended to have no description of their skin colors, while the villainous Asian men had their dark skin described as part of how scary they were. The one exception where a white person's skin color was described was when a Sephardic canon character is described as hot because he's really tan, presumably the result of the fanfic author mistakenly thinking he was white. Now, if I spoke to the author, I'm sure she'd say she never intended to write anything racist. The "death of the author" says that I can disregard that intent and say it is racist, and it's due to the author's racism.


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     Purple and pink are long time Bungie game colorsFlynn J Taggart 7/2/12 2:18 a.m.
           Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloDragonclaws 7/2/12 2:42 a.m.
                 Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloGeneral Battuta 7/2/12 10:14 a.m.
                       Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloLouis Wu 7/2/12 11:09 a.m.
                             Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloGeneral Battuta 7/2/12 12:23 p.m.
                                   Ah. *NM*Louis Wu 7/2/12 12:35 p.m.
                                   Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloFlynn J Taggart 7/2/12 1:51 p.m.
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                                                                             Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloGeneral Battuta 7/3/12 12:58 p.m.
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