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Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game colo
Posted By: Cody MillerDate: 7/2/12 4:50 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game colo (Dragonclaws)


: Well, if you ask the Ratatouille people, they'll most likely say they never
: intended it to be anti-feminist and they just created a cute romance in
: the middle of a story with a silly premise. By figuratively killing off
: the author, you can say that the story is sexist regardless of authorial
: intent. It's about dismissing their intents to focus on the story.

What these people fail to understand is that culture shapes the outlook and values of the artists that come from the culture, and so works are representative of that culture. I do not meet many people who are outwardly sexist, but I know a lot of people who are a little sexist on the inside; mostly from societal depictions of women as child bearers, emotional / non rational, feminine, etc.

And so while the creators may or may not be aware they are sexist, it is quite possible that the culture they were brought up in has shaped their views as partly sexist without them realizing it. As such, it's perfectly reasonable to focus on sexism in the work.

The proper thing is not to kill the possibility of real criticism by killing the author, but for the author to either refute the criticism and show why it is unwarranted, or acknowledge it and learn more about his own beliefs that his culture and experiences shaped.

This is valuable because works MUST be experienced inside a cultural framework. Things need to be familiar and understood, so if nothing exists in your own culture, the viewer / reader will use the closest thing in their culture as reference. This can amount to either learning or misunderstanding.

How could a species of aliens which do not have 2 sexes relate to our stories about women? It would be nonsense to them. They would have to study our culture and use that as a framework for understanding and comparison.

You cannot discount the history and culture which produced a work if you seek to understand it.


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     Purple and pink are long time Bungie game colorsFlynn J Taggart 7/2/12 2:18 a.m.
           Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloDragonclaws 7/2/12 2:42 a.m.
                 Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloGeneral Battuta 7/2/12 10:14 a.m.
                       Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloLouis Wu 7/2/12 11:09 a.m.
                             Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloGeneral Battuta 7/2/12 12:23 p.m.
                                   Ah. *NM*Louis Wu 7/2/12 12:35 p.m.
                                   Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloFlynn J Taggart 7/2/12 1:51 p.m.
                                         Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloGeneral Battuta 7/2/12 2:00 p.m.
                                               Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 7/3/12 2:56 p.m.
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                                   Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloCody Miller 7/2/12 2:56 p.m.
                                         Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloDragonclaws 7/2/12 3:44 p.m.
                                               Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloCody Miller 7/2/12 4:50 p.m.
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                                                                       Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloCody Miller 7/3/12 12:31 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloGeneral Battuta 7/3/12 12:58 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloCody Miller 7/3/12 1:07 p.m.
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                                         Re: Purple and pink are long time Bungie game coloGeneral Vagueness 7/4/12 6:28 p.m.
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