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Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)
Posted By: Gran Calc <grancalc@yahoo.com>Date: 11/19/04 6:34 p.m.

In Response To: Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish) (TheDrinkNinja)

: I disagree to some extent. While it is a good idea for everyone to remember
: the fact it's just a game, the point still remains that the pistol was the
: lifeblood of their game. Don't mock that aspect of it. CS is a good game
: in its own right, too, where teamwork and practice make all the
: difference. I hope that will show in H2 some more, but regardless.

: You do have the fun part right, though. Not all hardcore. But at least
: appealing to a high common denominator.

That's the thing, isn't it? To use generalizations and stereotypes, some people play for fun, some people play to win. To further use narrow blanket statements, the latter group finds that when playing to win against similar players, they get an experience that is more intense than when playing for fun. That increased intensity makes it far more exhilirating to them, which some people equate to fun (I do not, but it is nonetheless a strong emotion).

Of course, there are exceptions to what I say, and it all is not accurate, but from that you should be able to understand the point I am making. Some people find it more satisfying and fulfilling when competing.

Plus, to those who said that it is not fun to slaughter people with the pistol in H1, implying that these pros did that, that may be taken as offense. You must understand, when they are playing seriously, they only want to play people who are are around the same skill level as them. When playing against newbs, for example, not only is the experience horrible for the newb, but it is also horrible for the pro--because they are not challenged, which means no intensity and ultimately no satisfaction, and because it worsens their game and wastes their time. HOWEVER, for some of them, it is satisfying to slaughter an arrogant newb (putting them in their place, since it was provoked by the hypothetical newb's statements about being unbeatable or the best or being able to hang with the best, etc.).

Competitive games are NOT all about having fun. Most people play for fun, yes, including myself, but a minority of people play for competitive purposes, partly because it is far more exhilirating (ala a rollercoaster ride, perhaps). To say that for games like H1 and H2, it is all about having fun, is like saying sports (including professional sports) are only about having fun. However, we know that it is more than just that, at least for them.


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                       Bingo. *NM*MikeMan445 11/18/04 6:50 p.m.
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                       Agreed, Mr. Wu....Mushroom Samba 11/18/04 7:16 p.m.
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                                         Re: Louis...?Louis Wu 11/19/04 11:34 a.m.
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           Let Little Joshy Have his Say!!!!!La Voz del Noobo 11/19/04 7:20 p.m.
     ...............nof 11/18/04 4:48 p.m.
           Re: ...............jayWHY 11/18/04 5:11 p.m.
                 Re: ...............deanero 11/18/04 5:18 p.m.
                       Re: ...............jayWHY 11/18/04 5:41 p.m.
                             Re: ...............deanero 11/18/04 6:13 p.m.
                             Re: ...............Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/18/04 8:32 p.m.
                                   steve is a funny guy *NM*FrogBlast 11/18/04 8:47 p.m.
                                         Thank you... I'll be here all week. *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/19/04 8:17 a.m.
                             Re: ...............Achronos 11/18/04 9:25 p.m.
                                   I stopped reading....JakeDaGreat 11/18/04 9:58 p.m.
           Nothing has changed, I still get ownedWado SG 11/18/04 5:28 p.m.
                 Re: Nothing has changed, I still get ownedHawk7886 11/18/04 6:33 p.m.
           Re: That's what I see too...Dan Chosich 11/18/04 6:32 p.m.
     The ignorance is staggering.MikeMan445 11/18/04 6:35 p.m.
           well said ;) *NM*retsamolah 11/18/04 6:57 p.m.
                 well said ;)Verdafolio 11/18/04 7:00 p.m.
                       :( ???retsamolah 11/18/04 10:55 p.m.
                             Re: :( ???Salandarin 11/18/04 11:12 p.m.
                                   Re: :( ???Sep7imus [subnova] 11/19/04 8:18 a.m.
                                         Re: :( ???Gran Calc 11/19/04 5:21 p.m.
           don't let the door hit on on the way out! *NM*nof 11/18/04 7:01 p.m.
           *applauds* *NM*Druff 11/18/04 7:04 p.m.
           Re: The ignorance is staggering.Yayap the grunt 11/18/04 7:05 p.m.
     Stupidity.Chester the Destroyer 11/18/04 7:32 p.m.
           Re: Stupidity.<-- He has THE point, and I agreeMax Power (aka- dewbe) 11/18/04 11:08 p.m.
     Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LDaNoob 11/18/04 10:20 p.m.
           Don't be mad about a new learning curve.Mr_McMurder 11/18/04 10:53 p.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LMikeMan445 11/19/04 5:28 a.m.
     The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)TheDrinkNinja 11/18/04 10:46 p.m.
           Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)Plank 11/18/04 11:21 p.m.
                 Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)TheDrinkNinja 11/18/04 11:25 p.m.
                       Let Op! YoohooNinja! Ephorate pwns!111!11!1hax *NM*Syracuse022 11/19/04 10:37 a.m.
                       Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)Gran Calc 11/19/04 6:34 p.m.
           Re: Excellent post.ThorsHammer 11/19/04 12:28 a.m.
                 That was also an excellent post.Salandarin 11/19/04 10:55 a.m.
     Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAdmiral Death (formerly Death Box) 11/19/04 9:37 a.m.
     Upset with This Thread? You're not alone.meleeman 11/19/04 9:38 a.m.
     So...basically this guy wants the pistol back... *NM*Mr Yun 11/19/04 9:42 a.m.
     It's simple... *long* <- haha, contradictory!Slothboy 11/19/04 12:00 p.m.
     Dinosaurs will die.ajenteks 11/19/04 3:34 p.m.
     Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin.madcowjim 11/19/04 3:57 p.m.
           Re: Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin.MikeMan445 11/19/04 7:56 p.m.
                 Re: Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin.Iced_Eagle 11/20/04 12:10 a.m.



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