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Posted By: MikeMan445 <mmcardle@drew.edu>Date: 11/19/04 3:29 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L (Strangepurple)

: I think the point all of YOU are failing to see, is regardless of our
: personal skill, dedication to the game, or understanding that bungie
: wanted to change the game from the beginning, it's still a very very
: different game and it is very possible it will alienate some of the
: current fans. Bungie didnt have time to make Halo how they wanted,
: fabulous, I understand completely. The problem is that they gave us three
: years with this gem of a game and we all grew to love it exponentially.
: And this does NOT go for just pro-players who are terrible at Halo2 now or
: whatever. Look at the sales charts, people have been buying the game and
: keeping it on the best selling list for 3 years now, that is truly saying
: something about the way people feel about this game, pro or not. With this
: game came extreme dedication from pro players to casual fans alike, for
: many non-gamers as well this became one with real mainstream appeal that
: everyone picked up and absolutely loved. I am just extremely frustrated
: because as many of you will point out, I can always go back and play Halo,
: but the interest in the community is diverted right now to Halo2, so there
: isnt even anyone to play it.
: I just wish that if bungie was going to make the game they wanted, they'd of
: called it something different, and kept the Halo franchise very close to
: the original.
: Now many of you will say I only feel this way because I suck now blah blah,
: that is not the case though. I feel this way because Halo and every single
: little detail about it becamse so loved by us that we did not need or want
: any changes.
: In addition, leave the MLG thread the hell alone if you don't like it, it is
: about the ONLY place that i've seen online that you can even begin to
: discuss this issue without getting blatantly flamed by fanboys who don't
: even view the discussion objectively but simply say "you should be
: thanking bungie for halo2".

Strangepurple, I've seen videos of you, and I respect your skill. I know you have a deeper understanding of what makes top-level Halo click far more than 90% (including me) of the posters in this thread.

However, there are several things wrong, or just strange (no pun intended) about your post. First: The fact that they gave you three years with Halo 1 and its "unbalanced balance" (a term I just made up to describe the at once unbalanced and at the same time equal-opportunity death-weapon, the pistol) doesn't mean they are, or ever were, obligated to keep the game the same.

Second: Looking at the sales charts proves nothing. A VERY small percentage of those who kept buying Halo after three years were the hardcore elite. Most just bought it because it was a great game. Their buying had nothing to do with the pistol.

Third: Your definition of "keeping the franchise close to the original" is stricter than I can possibly imagine. As I've said in previous posts, Bungie stuck with the formula-that-works for Halo 2. They changed the weapons around, and the levels, and added a few features here and there, but it's still Halo, it still feels like Halo, and if you can't see that you're lying or blind. If you defined "Halo" as "the pistol", you have no one but yourself to blame for that. Halo was much more; it was meant to be much more.

Finally: "I feel this way because Halo and every single little detail about it became so loved by us that we did not need or want any changes." That is incredibly obstinate, and just plain dumb. How could you not want changes? It's a sequel, not at expansion pack. "Halo 1 with XBL support" is NOT "Halo 2". If you literally wanted no changes, I don't know what planet you grew up on. Since when do developers not change games for the sequel?

No, really. Since when? I can't think of any good reason to be that backwards. I mean, I can even entertain the (ridiculous) notion of keeping the original pistol in Halo 2, but to "not want any changes"? What the hell?

I'm not bashing the MLG thread, but it seems there are just as many fanboys there. Only this time, they're Halo 1 fanboys. Get with the program, guys. Let's all be realistic.

--MikeMan


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Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LINKguy who doesn't post....too often 11/18/04 1:15 p.m.
     Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lthunderhawk555 11/18/04 1:30 p.m.
           Don't Hijack the thread, thunder. *NM*guy who doesn't post....too often 11/18/04 1:33 p.m.
     Re: You mean BOARD the thread.thunderhawk555 11/18/04 1:44 p.m.
     Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LCount Zero 11/18/04 1:51 p.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lthunderhawk555 11/18/04 2:03 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LDruff 11/18/04 2:26 p.m.
                       Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lfaintstalker21 12/14/04 10:51 a.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lguy who doesn't post....too often 11/18/04 2:05 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LLouis Wu 11/18/04 2:29 p.m.
                       Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LjayWHY 11/18/04 3:01 p.m.
                             Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LMikeMan445 11/18/04 6:44 p.m.
                                   Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lrapture 11/18/04 7:22 p.m.
                                         Your point?MikeMan445 11/19/04 5:21 a.m.
                       Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LPico 11/18/04 4:25 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LCount Zero 11/18/04 2:50 p.m.
                       Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LGran Calc 11/19/04 4:46 p.m.
           TeamworkClefton Twain 11/18/04 2:35 p.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAchronos 11/18/04 8:46 p.m.
     Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LjayWHY 11/18/04 2:28 p.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LClefton Twain 11/18/04 2:42 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAfroRyan 11/18/04 3:38 p.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LMSN 11/18/04 3:38 p.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LLouis Wu 11/18/04 5:43 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LYayap the grunt 11/18/04 5:58 p.m.
                       Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LThe Covenant 11/18/04 6:27 p.m.
                             Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LViolentlyHappy 11/19/04 5:51 p.m.
                 /me highfives Louis Wu *NM*retsamolah 11/18/04 6:25 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LViolentlyHappy 11/19/04 5:50 p.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/18/04 8:02 p.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lgoatrope 11/18/04 11:14 p.m.
                 If so...Chester the Destroyer 11/19/04 4:07 p.m.
                       /shameless act of self promotion.Chester the Destroyer 11/19/04 4:10 p.m.
     Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LMSN 11/18/04 3:31 p.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lguy who doesn't post....too often 11/18/04 3:53 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LMSN 11/18/04 3:56 p.m.
                       Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lguy who doesn't post....too often 11/18/04 3:59 p.m.
                             Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAchronos 11/18/04 9:13 p.m.
                                   Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAnim8rJB 11/19/04 3:19 a.m.
                                   Achronos' post is the winnerMiguel Chavez 11/19/04 11:35 a.m.
                                   Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LViolentlyHappy 11/19/04 6:02 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lnof 11/18/04 5:07 p.m.
                       sounds that wayFrogBlast 11/18/04 5:20 p.m.
                       Bingo. *NM*MikeMan445 11/18/04 6:50 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Ldeanero 11/18/04 5:11 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lretsamolah 11/18/04 6:50 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LStrangepurple 11/18/04 11:26 p.m.
                       What the...MikeMan445 11/19/04 3:29 a.m.
                             Re: What the...Strangepurple 11/19/04 1:35 p.m.
                       Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/19/04 8:53 a.m.
                             Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LLouis Wu 11/19/04 9:24 a.m.
                                   Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/19/04 9:41 a.m.
                                         Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LStrangepurple 11/19/04 1:42 p.m.
                                               Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LStrangepurple 11/19/04 2:09 p.m.
     Bah. *Long*Yayap the grunt 11/18/04 3:33 p.m.
           One CorrectionDiscipleN2k 11/18/04 4:16 p.m.
                 Re: One CorrectionGran Calc 11/19/04 5:00 p.m.
           Re: Bah. *Long*jayWHY 11/18/04 4:50 p.m.
                 Re: Bah. *Long*Yayap the grunt 11/18/04 5:28 p.m.
                 Re: Bah. *Long*Louis Wu 11/18/04 5:48 p.m.
                       Re: Bah. *Long*MSN 11/18/04 5:57 p.m.
                             Re: Bah. *Long*deanero 11/18/04 6:21 p.m.
                             Re: Bah. *Long*Ross Mills [subnova] 11/19/04 5:48 a.m.
                                   Re: Bah. *Long*MSN 11/19/04 12:20 p.m.
                       Agreed, Mr. Wu....Mushroom Samba 11/18/04 7:16 p.m.
                             Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....Achronos 11/18/04 9:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....Some guy... 11/18/04 10:26 p.m.
                                   Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....Smeeisqualityfoo 11/18/04 10:47 p.m.
                                   Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....Ross Mills [subnova] 11/19/04 5:52 a.m.
                                         Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....Achronos 11/19/04 12:43 p.m.
                                   Another Grenade TrickAssassin-B 11/19/04 8:56 a.m.
                                   Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....StickFigureNinja 11/19/04 10:38 a.m.
                                   Louis...?Ross Mills [subnova] 11/19/04 10:51 a.m.
                                         Re: Louis...?Miguel Chavez 11/19/04 11:34 a.m.
                                         Re: Louis...?Louis Wu 11/19/04 11:34 a.m.
                                               Re: Louis...? *NM*Slothboy 11/19/04 12:02 p.m.
                                               Re: Louis...?Slothboy 11/19/04 12:04 p.m.
                 Re: Bah. *Long*bigboy7791 11/19/04 12:55 p.m.
           Let Little Joshy Have his Say!!!!!La Voz del Noobo 11/19/04 7:20 p.m.
     ...............nof 11/18/04 4:48 p.m.
           Re: ...............jayWHY 11/18/04 5:11 p.m.
                 Re: ...............deanero 11/18/04 5:18 p.m.
                       Re: ...............jayWHY 11/18/04 5:41 p.m.
                             Re: ...............deanero 11/18/04 6:13 p.m.
                             Re: ...............Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/18/04 8:32 p.m.
                                   steve is a funny guy *NM*FrogBlast 11/18/04 8:47 p.m.
                                         Thank you... I'll be here all week. *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/19/04 8:17 a.m.
                             Re: ...............Achronos 11/18/04 9:25 p.m.
                                   I stopped reading....JakeDaGreat 11/18/04 9:58 p.m.
           Nothing has changed, I still get ownedWado SG 11/18/04 5:28 p.m.
                 Re: Nothing has changed, I still get ownedHawk7886 11/18/04 6:33 p.m.
           Re: That's what I see too...Dan Chosich 11/18/04 6:32 p.m.
     The ignorance is staggering.MikeMan445 11/18/04 6:35 p.m.
           well said ;) *NM*retsamolah 11/18/04 6:57 p.m.
                 well said ;)Verdafolio 11/18/04 7:00 p.m.
                       :( ???retsamolah 11/18/04 10:55 p.m.
                             Re: :( ???Salandarin 11/18/04 11:12 p.m.
                                   Re: :( ???Sep7imus [subnova] 11/19/04 8:18 a.m.
                                         Re: :( ???Gran Calc 11/19/04 5:21 p.m.
           don't let the door hit on on the way out! *NM*nof 11/18/04 7:01 p.m.
           *applauds* *NM*Druff 11/18/04 7:04 p.m.
           Re: The ignorance is staggering.Yayap the grunt 11/18/04 7:05 p.m.
     Stupidity.Chester the Destroyer 11/18/04 7:32 p.m.
           Re: Stupidity.<-- He has THE point, and I agreeMax Power (aka- dewbe) 11/18/04 11:08 p.m.
     Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LDaNoob 11/18/04 10:20 p.m.
           Don't be mad about a new learning curve.Mr_McMurder 11/18/04 10:53 p.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LMikeMan445 11/19/04 5:28 a.m.
     The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)TheDrinkNinja 11/18/04 10:46 p.m.
           Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)Plank 11/18/04 11:21 p.m.
                 Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)TheDrinkNinja 11/18/04 11:25 p.m.
                       Let Op! YoohooNinja! Ephorate pwns!111!11!1hax *NM*Syracuse022 11/19/04 10:37 a.m.
                       Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)Gran Calc 11/19/04 6:34 p.m.
           Re: Excellent post.ThorsHammer 11/19/04 12:28 a.m.
                 That was also an excellent post.Salandarin 11/19/04 10:55 a.m.
     Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAdmiral Death (formerly Death Box) 11/19/04 9:37 a.m.
     Upset with This Thread? You're not alone.meleeman 11/19/04 9:38 a.m.
     So...basically this guy wants the pistol back... *NM*Mr Yun 11/19/04 9:42 a.m.
     It's simple... *long* <- haha, contradictory!Slothboy 11/19/04 12:00 p.m.
     Dinosaurs will die.ajenteks 11/19/04 3:34 p.m.
     Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin.madcowjim 11/19/04 3:57 p.m.
           Re: Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin.MikeMan445 11/19/04 7:56 p.m.
                 Re: Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin.Iced_Eagle 11/20/04 12:10 a.m.



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