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Re: What the...
Posted By: StrangepurpleDate: 11/19/04 1:35 p.m.

In Response To: What the... (MikeMan445)

: Strangepurple, I've seen videos of you, and I respect your skill. I know you
: have a deeper understanding of what makes top-level Halo click far more
: than 90% (including me) of the posters in this thread.

: However, there are several things wrong, or just strange (no pun intended)
: about your post. First: The fact that they gave you three years with Halo
: 1 and its "unbalanced balance" (a term I just made up to
: describe the at once unbalanced and at the same time equal-opportunity
: death-weapon, the pistol) doesn't mean they are, or ever were, obligated
: to keep the game the same.

: Second: Looking at the sales charts proves nothing. A VERY small percentage
: of those who kept buying Halo after three years were the hardcore elite.
: Most just bought it because it was a great game. Their buying had nothing
: to do with the pistol.

: Third: Your definition of "keeping the franchise close to the
: original" is stricter than I can possibly imagine. As I've said in
: previous posts, Bungie stuck with the formula-that-works for Halo 2. They
: changed the weapons around, and the levels, and added a few features here
: and there, but it's still Halo, it still feels like Halo, and if you can't
: see that you're lying or blind. If you defined "Halo" as
: "the pistol", you have no one but yourself to blame for that.
: Halo was much more; it was meant to be much more.

: Finally: "I feel this way because Halo and every single little detail
: about it became so loved by us that we did not need or want any
: changes." That is incredibly obstinate, and just plain dumb. How
: could you not want changes? It's a sequel, not at expansion pack.
: "Halo 1 with XBL support" is NOT "Halo 2". If you
: literally wanted no changes, I don't know what planet you grew up on.
: Since when do developers not change games for the sequel?

: No, really. Since when? I can't think of any good reason to be that
: backwards. I mean, I can even entertain the (ridiculous) notion of keeping
: the original pistol in Halo 2, but to "not want any changes"?
: What the hell?

: I'm not bashing the MLG thread, but it seems there are just as many fanboys
: there. Only this time, they're Halo 1 fanboys. Get with the program, guys.
: Let's all be realistic.

: --MikeMan

first, when you point to the sales chart I am agreeing with you maybe I just worded it badly in the original post. I think the fact that the game continued to sell through all those years, shows how much mainstream appeal it had, regardless of what weapons I or anyone else liked. The bottom line was the gameplay was excellent and through word of mouth the game continued to sell. This would support the idea that these casual fans we keep talking about loved the game as it was, not the elites.

Secondly, sequals more then often change less then someone like you would hope for. Franchises like well basically, anything by EA, the sequal is basically a carbon copy of the previous game, with slight adjustments made. Maybe thats the "world i grew up on" because these games while often bashed by people like you for not being innovative, continue to sell on a massive scale year after year, with only slight upgrades to the previous version. Now im not saying I like EA o r anything like that, I'm just saying it's absolutely not going to far to say someone wants very few changes in the sequal, it happens with games ALL the time.

Thirdly, I don't believe I ever said I wanted the pistol in Halo2, in fact your entire argument is a little weird in that I really don't care that much about the pistol per say, but more about the overal feeling taht you got playing Halo. If you folks keep wishing to discredit the argument by simply pointing out that I want the pistol you arent doing it justice. You say that bungie "stuck with the formula that worked", while I say it absolutely doesnt feel like that, even to my noob buddies. This game is OBVIOUSLY very different, and it has a different feeling even on the core level, if you refuse to admit that maybe you are the one who is just unwilling to look at the game objectively.

And if we are "fanboys" then we have been fanboys for 3 years, we are not instantly jumping on the halo2 bandwagon and getting behind it SIMPLY because the title says Halo2. In my opinion I hold a higher standard for something called "halo" due to the fact that i'm even on these forums 3 years after the game I play is released. Many have stated it, we are Halo players, we don't own other games, I was willing and I put out the good word all through development of Halo2 when we heard about the changes but hadnt tried them, now that we have had the game for a week or two and really gotten into it, I am expressing my frustration because it feels like bungie changed the core of what was an excellent game.


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     Re: You mean BOARD the thread.thunderhawk555 11/18/04 1:44 p.m.
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                                         Your point?MikeMan445 11/19/04 5:21 a.m.
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                 /me highfives Louis Wu *NM*retsamolah 11/18/04 6:25 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LViolentlyHappy 11/19/04 5:50 p.m.
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           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lgoatrope 11/18/04 11:14 p.m.
                 If so...Chester the Destroyer 11/19/04 4:07 p.m.
                       /shameless act of self promotion.Chester the Destroyer 11/19/04 4:10 p.m.
     Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LMSN 11/18/04 3:31 p.m.
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                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LMSN 11/18/04 3:56 p.m.
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                                   Achronos' post is the winnerMiguel Chavez 11/19/04 11:35 a.m.
                                   Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LViolentlyHappy 11/19/04 6:02 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lnof 11/18/04 5:07 p.m.
                       sounds that wayFrogBlast 11/18/04 5:20 p.m.
                       Bingo. *NM*MikeMan445 11/18/04 6:50 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Ldeanero 11/18/04 5:11 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. Lretsamolah 11/18/04 6:50 p.m.
                 Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LStrangepurple 11/18/04 11:26 p.m.
                       What the...MikeMan445 11/19/04 3:29 a.m.
                             Re: What the...Strangepurple 11/19/04 1:35 p.m.
                       Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/19/04 8:53 a.m.
                             Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LLouis Wu 11/19/04 9:24 a.m.
                                   Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/19/04 9:41 a.m.
                                         Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LStrangepurple 11/19/04 1:42 p.m.
                                               Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LStrangepurple 11/19/04 2:09 p.m.
     Bah. *Long*Yayap the grunt 11/18/04 3:33 p.m.
           One CorrectionDiscipleN2k 11/18/04 4:16 p.m.
                 Re: One CorrectionGran Calc 11/19/04 5:00 p.m.
           Re: Bah. *Long*jayWHY 11/18/04 4:50 p.m.
                 Re: Bah. *Long*Yayap the grunt 11/18/04 5:28 p.m.
                 Re: Bah. *Long*Louis Wu 11/18/04 5:48 p.m.
                       Re: Bah. *Long*MSN 11/18/04 5:57 p.m.
                             Re: Bah. *Long*deanero 11/18/04 6:21 p.m.
                             Re: Bah. *Long*Ross Mills [subnova] 11/19/04 5:48 a.m.
                                   Re: Bah. *Long*MSN 11/19/04 12:20 p.m.
                       Agreed, Mr. Wu....Mushroom Samba 11/18/04 7:16 p.m.
                             Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....Achronos 11/18/04 9:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....Some guy... 11/18/04 10:26 p.m.
                                   Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....Smeeisqualityfoo 11/18/04 10:47 p.m.
                                   Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....Ross Mills [subnova] 11/19/04 5:52 a.m.
                                         Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....Achronos 11/19/04 12:43 p.m.
                                   Another Grenade TrickAssassin-B 11/19/04 8:56 a.m.
                                   Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu....StickFigureNinja 11/19/04 10:38 a.m.
                                   Louis...?Ross Mills [subnova] 11/19/04 10:51 a.m.
                                         Re: Louis...?Miguel Chavez 11/19/04 11:34 a.m.
                                         Re: Louis...?Louis Wu 11/19/04 11:34 a.m.
                                               Re: Louis...? *NM*Slothboy 11/19/04 12:02 p.m.
                                               Re: Louis...?Slothboy 11/19/04 12:04 p.m.
                 Re: Bah. *Long*bigboy7791 11/19/04 12:55 p.m.
           Let Little Joshy Have his Say!!!!!La Voz del Noobo 11/19/04 7:20 p.m.
     ...............nof 11/18/04 4:48 p.m.
           Re: ...............jayWHY 11/18/04 5:11 p.m.
                 Re: ...............deanero 11/18/04 5:18 p.m.
                       Re: ...............jayWHY 11/18/04 5:41 p.m.
                             Re: ...............deanero 11/18/04 6:13 p.m.
                             Re: ...............Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/18/04 8:32 p.m.
                                   steve is a funny guy *NM*FrogBlast 11/18/04 8:47 p.m.
                                         Thank you... I'll be here all week. *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/19/04 8:17 a.m.
                             Re: ...............Achronos 11/18/04 9:25 p.m.
                                   I stopped reading....JakeDaGreat 11/18/04 9:58 p.m.
           Nothing has changed, I still get ownedWado SG 11/18/04 5:28 p.m.
                 Re: Nothing has changed, I still get ownedHawk7886 11/18/04 6:33 p.m.
           Re: That's what I see too...Dan Chosich 11/18/04 6:32 p.m.
     The ignorance is staggering.MikeMan445 11/18/04 6:35 p.m.
           well said ;) *NM*retsamolah 11/18/04 6:57 p.m.
                 well said ;)Verdafolio 11/18/04 7:00 p.m.
                       :( ???retsamolah 11/18/04 10:55 p.m.
                             Re: :( ???Salandarin 11/18/04 11:12 p.m.
                                   Re: :( ???Sep7imus [subnova] 11/19/04 8:18 a.m.
                                         Re: :( ???Gran Calc 11/19/04 5:21 p.m.
           don't let the door hit on on the way out! *NM*nof 11/18/04 7:01 p.m.
           *applauds* *NM*Druff 11/18/04 7:04 p.m.
           Re: The ignorance is staggering.Yayap the grunt 11/18/04 7:05 p.m.
     Stupidity.Chester the Destroyer 11/18/04 7:32 p.m.
           Re: Stupidity.<-- He has THE point, and I agreeMax Power (aka- dewbe) 11/18/04 11:08 p.m.
     Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LDaNoob 11/18/04 10:20 p.m.
           Don't be mad about a new learning curve.Mr_McMurder 11/18/04 10:53 p.m.
           Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LMikeMan445 11/19/04 5:28 a.m.
     The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)TheDrinkNinja 11/18/04 10:46 p.m.
           Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)Plank 11/18/04 11:21 p.m.
                 Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)TheDrinkNinja 11/18/04 11:25 p.m.
                       Let Op! YoohooNinja! Ephorate pwns!111!11!1hax *NM*Syracuse022 11/19/04 10:37 a.m.
                       Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish)Gran Calc 11/19/04 6:34 p.m.
           Re: Excellent post.ThorsHammer 11/19/04 12:28 a.m.
                 That was also an excellent post.Salandarin 11/19/04 10:55 a.m.
     Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LAdmiral Death (formerly Death Box) 11/19/04 9:37 a.m.
     Upset with This Thread? You're not alone.meleeman 11/19/04 9:38 a.m.
     So...basically this guy wants the pistol back... *NM*Mr Yun 11/19/04 9:42 a.m.
     It's simple... *long* <- haha, contradictory!Slothboy 11/19/04 12:00 p.m.
     Dinosaurs will die.ajenteks 11/19/04 3:34 p.m.
     Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin.madcowjim 11/19/04 3:57 p.m.
           Re: Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin.MikeMan445 11/19/04 7:56 p.m.
                 Re: Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin.Iced_Eagle 11/20/04 12:10 a.m.



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