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Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | |
Posted By: Gran Calc <grancalc@yahoo.com> | Date: 11/19/04 4:46 p.m. |
In Response To: Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L (Count Zero) : I disagree. Slayer may be the game that tournaments use, but team play (or
Slight correction: For 4v4, MLG tournaments' gametypes are as follows:
Format usually follows something like this:
: Perhaps the real problem is that those two worlds are steadily
The two groups have always been worlds apart. The thing about competitive games and game design, though, is that truly good competitive games are designed in such a way that they appeal to both the supposed "casual" player and the "serious" player. If it only appeals to one group, then the game is not a successful competitive game. That is, if it appeals only to "casual" players, then no one will advance to the level of "experts" or "pros" since it is not designed for competitive (tournament) play. On the other hand, if it only appeals to "serious" players, meaning it does not appeal to "casual" players, then virtually no one is playing the game, meaning hardly anyone will rise to the level of "expert" or "pro," either due to a lack of players or a lack of attracting players--basically, even if there were tournaments for such a hypothetical game, hardly any one would care which means small prizes, which means a waste of time. In this sense, and in reality, not many competitive games have succeeded. Is it becoming more difficult to appeal to both worlds? I do not think so; it has always been difficult. The question is, does Halo 2's multiplayer fulfill this requirement (one of the many to be a successful competitive game)? I think it does--or rather, it will. Only time shall tell. Nevertheless, some people feel that it was rather risky for Bungie to make so many "drastic changes," with regards to the competitive scene. |
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Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. LINK | guy who doesn't post....too often | 11/18/04 1:15 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | thunderhawk555 | 11/18/04 1:30 p.m. |
Don't Hijack the thread, thunder. *NM* | guy who doesn't post....too often | 11/18/04 1:33 p.m. |
Re: You mean BOARD the thread. | thunderhawk555 | 11/18/04 1:44 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Count Zero | 11/18/04 1:51 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | thunderhawk555 | 11/18/04 2:03 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Druff | 11/18/04 2:26 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | faintstalker21 | 12/14/04 10:51 a.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | guy who doesn't post....too often | 11/18/04 2:05 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Louis Wu | 11/18/04 2:29 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | jayWHY | 11/18/04 3:01 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | MikeMan445 | 11/18/04 6:44 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | rapture | 11/18/04 7:22 p.m. |
Your point? | MikeMan445 | 11/19/04 5:21 a.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Pico | 11/18/04 4:25 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Count Zero | 11/18/04 2:50 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Gran Calc | 11/19/04 4:46 p.m. |
Teamwork | Clefton Twain | 11/18/04 2:35 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Achronos | 11/18/04 8:46 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | jayWHY | 11/18/04 2:28 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Clefton Twain | 11/18/04 2:42 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | AfroRyan | 11/18/04 3:38 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | MSN | 11/18/04 3:38 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Louis Wu | 11/18/04 5:43 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Yayap the grunt | 11/18/04 5:58 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | The Covenant | 11/18/04 6:27 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | ViolentlyHappy | 11/19/04 5:51 p.m. |
/me highfives Louis Wu *NM* | retsamolah | 11/18/04 6:25 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | ViolentlyHappy | 11/19/04 5:50 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/18/04 8:02 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | goatrope | 11/18/04 11:14 p.m. |
If so... | Chester the Destroyer | 11/19/04 4:07 p.m. |
/shameless act of self promotion. | Chester the Destroyer | 11/19/04 4:10 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | MSN | 11/18/04 3:31 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | guy who doesn't post....too often | 11/18/04 3:53 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | MSN | 11/18/04 3:56 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | guy who doesn't post....too often | 11/18/04 3:59 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Achronos | 11/18/04 9:13 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Anim8rJB | 11/19/04 3:19 a.m. |
Achronos' post is the winner | Miguel Chavez | 11/19/04 11:35 a.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | ViolentlyHappy | 11/19/04 6:02 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | nof | 11/18/04 5:07 p.m. |
sounds that way | FrogBlast | 11/18/04 5:20 p.m. |
Bingo. *NM* | MikeMan445 | 11/18/04 6:50 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | deanero | 11/18/04 5:11 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | retsamolah | 11/18/04 6:50 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Strangepurple | 11/18/04 11:26 p.m. |
What the... | MikeMan445 | 11/19/04 3:29 a.m. |
Re: What the... | Strangepurple | 11/19/04 1:35 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/19/04 8:53 a.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Louis Wu | 11/19/04 9:24 a.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/19/04 9:41 a.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Strangepurple | 11/19/04 1:42 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Strangepurple | 11/19/04 2:09 p.m. |
Bah. *Long* | Yayap the grunt | 11/18/04 3:33 p.m. |
One Correction | DiscipleN2k | 11/18/04 4:16 p.m. |
Re: One Correction | Gran Calc | 11/19/04 5:00 p.m. |
Re: Bah. *Long* | jayWHY | 11/18/04 4:50 p.m. |
Re: Bah. *Long* | Yayap the grunt | 11/18/04 5:28 p.m. |
Re: Bah. *Long* | Louis Wu | 11/18/04 5:48 p.m. |
Re: Bah. *Long* | MSN | 11/18/04 5:57 p.m. |
Re: Bah. *Long* | deanero | 11/18/04 6:21 p.m. |
Re: Bah. *Long* | Ross Mills [subnova] | 11/19/04 5:48 a.m. |
Re: Bah. *Long* | MSN | 11/19/04 12:20 p.m. |
Agreed, Mr. Wu.... | Mushroom Samba | 11/18/04 7:16 p.m. |
Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu.... | Achronos | 11/18/04 9:21 p.m. |
Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu.... | Some guy... | 11/18/04 10:26 p.m. |
Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu.... | Smeeisqualityfoo | 11/18/04 10:47 p.m. |
Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu.... | Ross Mills [subnova] | 11/19/04 5:52 a.m. |
Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu.... | Achronos | 11/19/04 12:43 p.m. |
Another Grenade Trick | Assassin-B | 11/19/04 8:56 a.m. |
Re: Agreed, Mr. Wu.... | StickFigureNinja | 11/19/04 10:38 a.m. |
Louis...? | Ross Mills [subnova] | 11/19/04 10:51 a.m. |
Re: Louis...? | Miguel Chavez | 11/19/04 11:34 a.m. |
Re: Louis...? | Louis Wu | 11/19/04 11:34 a.m. |
Re: Louis...? *NM* | Slothboy | 11/19/04 12:02 p.m. |
Re: Louis...? | Slothboy | 11/19/04 12:04 p.m. |
Re: Bah. *Long* | bigboy7791 | 11/19/04 12:55 p.m. |
Let Little Joshy Have his Say!!!!! | La Voz del Noobo | 11/19/04 7:20 p.m. |
............... | nof | 11/18/04 4:48 p.m. |
Re: ............... | jayWHY | 11/18/04 5:11 p.m. |
Re: ............... | deanero | 11/18/04 5:18 p.m. |
Re: ............... | jayWHY | 11/18/04 5:41 p.m. |
Re: ............... | deanero | 11/18/04 6:13 p.m. |
Re: ............... | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/18/04 8:32 p.m. |
steve is a funny guy *NM* | FrogBlast | 11/18/04 8:47 p.m. |
Thank you... I'll be here all week. *NM* | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/19/04 8:17 a.m. |
Re: ............... | Achronos | 11/18/04 9:25 p.m. |
I stopped reading.... | JakeDaGreat | 11/18/04 9:58 p.m. |
Nothing has changed, I still get owned | Wado SG | 11/18/04 5:28 p.m. |
Re: Nothing has changed, I still get owned | Hawk7886 | 11/18/04 6:33 p.m. |
Re: That's what I see too... | Dan Chosich | 11/18/04 6:32 p.m. |
The ignorance is staggering. | MikeMan445 | 11/18/04 6:35 p.m. |
well said ;) *NM* | retsamolah | 11/18/04 6:57 p.m. |
well said ;) | Verdafolio | 11/18/04 7:00 p.m. |
:( ??? | retsamolah | 11/18/04 10:55 p.m. |
Re: :( ??? | Salandarin | 11/18/04 11:12 p.m. |
Re: :( ??? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 11/19/04 8:18 a.m. |
Re: :( ??? | Gran Calc | 11/19/04 5:21 p.m. |
don't let the door hit on on the way out! *NM* | nof | 11/18/04 7:01 p.m. |
*applauds* *NM* | Druff | 11/18/04 7:04 p.m. |
Re: The ignorance is staggering. | Yayap the grunt | 11/18/04 7:05 p.m. |
Stupidity. | Chester the Destroyer | 11/18/04 7:32 p.m. |
Re: Stupidity.<-- He has THE point, and I agree | Max Power (aka- dewbe) | 11/18/04 11:08 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | DaNoob | 11/18/04 10:20 p.m. |
Don't be mad about a new learning curve. | Mr_McMurder | 11/18/04 10:53 p.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | MikeMan445 | 11/19/04 5:28 a.m. |
The n00b's Lament (Long-ish) | TheDrinkNinja | 11/18/04 10:46 p.m. |
Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish) | Plank | 11/18/04 11:21 p.m. |
Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish) | TheDrinkNinja | 11/18/04 11:25 p.m. |
Let Op! YoohooNinja! Ephorate pwns!111!11!1hax *NM* | Syracuse022 | 11/19/04 10:37 a.m. |
Re: The n00b's Lament (Long-ish) | Gran Calc | 11/19/04 6:34 p.m. |
Re: Excellent post. | ThorsHammer | 11/19/04 12:28 a.m. |
That was also an excellent post. | Salandarin | 11/19/04 10:55 a.m. |
Re: Upset with Halo2 gameplay? You're not alone. L | Admiral Death (formerly Death Box) | 11/19/04 9:37 a.m. |
Upset with This Thread? You're not alone. | meleeman | 11/19/04 9:38 a.m. |
So...basically this guy wants the pistol back... *NM* | Mr Yun | 11/19/04 9:42 a.m. |
It's simple... *long* <- haha, contradictory! | Slothboy | 11/19/04 12:00 p.m. |
Dinosaurs will die. | ajenteks | 11/19/04 3:34 p.m. |
Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin. | madcowjim | 11/19/04 3:57 p.m. |
Re: Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin. | MikeMan445 | 11/19/04 7:56 p.m. |
Re: Xbox Live is Halo 1's ruin. | Iced_Eagle | 11/20/04 12:10 a.m. |
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