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Posted By: kapowaz <halo.bungie.org@kapowaz.net> | Date: 11/30/11 4:50 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: Updaters needed (Frankie) : Canonical inconsistencies have been and will be introduced to the very : large and complex Halo universe. These are a combination of human error, : deliberate but necessary decisions, design choices and path corrections. This statement is a completely justifiable ethos for a company whose responsibility it is to maintain and develop products for a leviathan intellectual property such as Halo. It's very difficult to argue against it in a rational sense. However, what it doesn't address is the somewhat more irrational feeling that by making these ‘course corrections’ to the canon to support the IP's future growth, you are in some small way eroding the original kernel of what drew people into Halo in the first place, and you can't dismiss these criticisms wholesale without risking alienating fans. George Lucas has unquestionably alienated a substantial number of the series’ earliest fans with the incessant tinkering to each successive re-release of the original Star Wars trilogy. He's also undoubtedly attracted new (younger) fans too (with the new trilogy), but it's difficult to look at this as a net positive except in terms of raw, financial numbers. In a hundred years’ time, it's quite possible that film historians will look back on the original series and conclude that the cultural value of those films was damaged by his meddling. For me, Halo really was all about the story from the very start. I read The Fall Of Reach before I even owned an Xbox, let alone played the game. The idea of the story drew me in, and then the novel hooked me. By the time I played the game, I was a fully-fledged devotee, and in discovering HBO I was exposed to all the interesting subtleties, observations and theories underlying the game's story. The links to Marathon*; the references to Ancient Greece; the possible implications of cryptic lines of dialogue. Some of these hinted at future directions the story might take. One line in particular, from Two Betrayals, still sticks out in my mind this way, when 343 Guilty Spark asks Master Chief: “Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed.” The implication is obvious: that 343 Guilty Spark already knows Master Chief, yet the reverse wasn't true. Did this imply that Master Chief would at some point in the future travel back through time? The possibilities were tantalising, yet sadly remain unexplored, perhaps now permanently. Whenever canonical changes are made to the Halo universe, they can supplement and augment what went before, but the risk will always be that by making the change you're chipping away at the foundations for what made some people love Halo in the first place. When fans like Cody bring some of the more egregious changes to light, don't think of it as right or wrong so much as a sign that you might have gone a step too far, and that whilst you can continue in that direction, and it might enrich the series’ longterm success, you may be doing so at a cost to its cultural prestige. *On this point, I note that 343 Guilty Spark's ‘eye’ no longer features the Marathon symbol in Anniversary. I can't understand how this could have happened other than either artistic ignorance or spite. I'd love to hear the explanation if it was something else entirely.
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Updaters needed | Cody Miller | 11/19/11 9:17 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Ibeechu | 11/19/11 9:50 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | davidfuchs | 11/19/11 9:50 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Frankie | 11/28/11 11:09 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Overdoziz | 11/28/11 11:39 a.m. |
This. | TCKaos | 11/28/11 12:21 p.m. |
Re: This. | General Vagueness | 11/28/11 12:46 p.m. |
Actually | Bry | 11/28/11 2:12 p.m. |
Re: Actually | General Vagueness | 11/28/11 8:36 p.m. |
Re: Actually | Bry | 11/29/11 2:54 a.m. |
Re: Actually | Leviathan | 11/29/11 11:07 a.m. |
Re: Actually | Bry | 11/29/11 11:51 a.m. |
Re: Actually | Archilen | 11/29/11 11:56 a.m. |
Re: Actually | Bry | 11/29/11 12:20 p.m. |
Re: Actually | Leviathan | 11/29/11 2:05 p.m. |
Re: Actually | Hyokin | 11/29/11 3:47 p.m. |
Re: On my radar *pic* | Hedgemony | 11/29/11 4:05 p.m. |
I'm with him... | bluerunner | 11/29/11 4:16 p.m. |
Re: I'm with him... | Hyokin | 11/29/11 6:26 p.m. |
Re: I'm with him... | Quirel | 11/29/11 8:15 p.m. |
Re: Actually | Leviathan | 11/29/11 5:35 p.m. |
Re: Actually | Bry | 11/29/11 4:53 p.m. |
Re: Actually | Leviathan | 11/29/11 5:33 p.m. |
Re: Actually | SonofMacPhisto | 11/30/11 3:16 a.m. |
Re: Actually | Bry | 11/30/11 5:04 a.m. |
Re: Actually | SonofMacPhisto | 11/30/11 12:53 p.m. |
Re: Actually | Leviathan | 11/30/11 1:22 p.m. |
Re: Actually | Quirel | 11/30/11 10:50 p.m. |
Re: Actually | Leviathan | 11/29/11 1:59 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | General Vagueness | 11/28/11 12:39 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Overdoziz | 11/28/11 1:21 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Frankie | 11/28/11 1:35 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Overdoziz | 11/28/11 1:41 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | General Vagueness | 11/28/11 5:53 p.m. |
It's the colons, not the quotes. | ncsuDuncan | 11/29/11 3:48 p.m. |
Re: It's the colons, not the quotes. | Overdoziz | 11/30/11 9:38 a.m. |
Re: It's the colons, not the quotes. | General Vagueness | 11/30/11 1:27 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/28/11 1:49 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | DEEP NNN | 11/28/11 2:05 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/28/11 4:31 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Archilen | 11/28/11 2:08 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Seraph XXVII | 11/28/11 1:53 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Hyokin | 11/28/11 1:45 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Arithmomaniac | 11/28/11 1:58 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Overdoziz | 11/28/11 2:08 p.m. |
Smackdown! *NM* | Arithmomaniac | 11/28/11 1:58 p.m. |
Re: Smackdown! | Frankie | 11/28/11 2:25 p.m. |
Re: Smackdown! | Arithmomaniac | 11/28/11 3:06 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Gravemind | 11/28/11 3:29 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Arithmomaniac | 11/28/11 4:54 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Gravemind | 11/28/11 7:08 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Cody Miller | 11/28/11 11:50 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Buttskunk | 11/28/11 11:55 p.m. |
very bold of you *NM* | kidtsunami | 11/29/11 12:23 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Frankie | 11/29/11 5:01 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Cody Miller | 11/29/11 9:20 p.m. |
*Cheek twitches. | Quirel | 11/29/11 1:51 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Hawaiian Pig | 11/29/11 2:44 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | padraig08 | 11/29/11 8:34 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | kapowaz | 11/30/11 4:50 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Lurono | 11/30/11 6:31 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | kapowaz | 11/30/11 9:06 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Ibeechu | 11/30/11 9:14 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Archilen | 11/30/11 9:18 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | General Vagueness | 11/30/11 1:45 p.m. |
Daft? | Louis Wu | 11/30/11 11:02 a.m. |
Re: Daft? | kapowaz | 11/30/11 11:05 a.m. |
Re: Daft? | Louis Wu | 11/30/11 11:08 a.m. |
Re: Daft? | Beckx | 11/30/11 11:17 a.m. |
Re: Daft? | kapowaz | 11/30/11 11:27 a.m. |
Re: Daft? | Beckx | 11/30/11 11:37 a.m. |
Re: Daft? | kapowaz | 11/30/11 11:43 a.m. |
Re: Daft? | Bry | 11/30/11 12:12 p.m. |
Re: Daft? | Beckx | 11/30/11 12:18 p.m. |
Daft, you say? | Quirel | 11/30/11 11:36 a.m. |
Other things you didn't say, you say? | kapowaz | 11/30/11 11:47 a.m. |
Re: Daft, you say? | kapowaz | 11/30/11 11:49 a.m. |
You just got Punk'd! *NM* | quirel | 11/30/11 1:23 p.m. |
And I was all like | kapowaz | 11/30/11 5:41 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 11/30/11 6:57 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | kapowaz | 11/30/11 9:08 a.m. |
Codyhasnothingbettertodo.net | Hyokin | 11/19/11 10:53 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | ZaneZavin | 11/19/11 10:54 p.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Chris101b | 11/20/11 1:40 a.m. |
That's a fun mental image, thanks | hezekiah | 11/28/11 6:14 p.m. |
lol this is why we need you buddy *NM* | Flynn J Taggart | 11/20/11 1:27 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Buttskunk | 11/20/11 10:38 a.m. |
Re: Updaters needed | Tex | 11/20/11 12:05 p.m. |
lol *NM* | ZackDark | 11/20/11 12:57 p.m. |
ColdStorageIsNotCanon.net *NM* | Devil Mingy | 11/21/11 7:39 p.m. |
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