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Re: will it go round in circles
Posted By: oldmano'theC	Date: 6/27/02 2:11 p.m.
In Response To: Re: will it go round in circles (NthDegree256) : In that case, I'm still pretty sure that the ships and Halo do generate : "synthetic gravity" that, for all intents and purposes, is : equivalent to natural gravity and is not based on centripetal forces. at the risk of belaboring a point: "natural" gravity is a consequence of the warping/bending/reshaping of spacetime by mass. other matter moving through this bent spacetime accelerates (can be positive or negative, i.e., speeding up or slowing down), and the percieved effects of this acceleration are what we term "gravity." the only way to warp spacetime enough to generate a gravity well with an acceleration of 1G is with a mass equivalent to that of the earth (doesn't have to be that size, however -- white dwarf stars & neutron stars are made of exotic forms of matter that pack a sh!tload of mass into a relatively small space). however, there's lots of ways to create an acceleration which would be perceived as "gravity." rotation is one way, but so's putting the pedal to the metal in your terrestrial ICE vehicle (which causes fractional G forces at right angles to Earth's "natural" gravity, and may earn you a ticket ;-} ). then again, use of exotic states of matter (see above) in advanced technology could perhaps cause a local warping of space that could be a "synthetic" gravity. : When the Spartans first board a Covie ship: --- : They climbed down. : John immediately fell down on the first deck. : "Gravity," he said. "And with nothing spinning on this : ship." : "Artificial gravity?" Kelly asked. "Dr. Halsey would love to : see this." : --- : Also, the Pillar of Autumn is clearly simulating gravity somehow without a : spinning section. that's always bothered me -- personally, i thinks it's a big continuity break on Bungie's part (perhaps even an "intentional goof"), but it also makes the game more playable. trying to fight in zero G would be incredibly fun but also incredibly disorienting. i'm willing to put up with a few rounded corners... : Finally, my most-used quote ever... : Cortana: "Captain, the object is clearly artificial. There's a gravity : field that controls the ring's spin and keeps the atmosphere inside." : The wording of that statement certainly implies that the "gravity : field" is something other than centripetal force. :-) problem is, gravity isn't a field, it's a consequence of the shape of spacetime. near a large mass, that shape causes an acceleration toward the center of the mass. we call this "gravity," but it's really no different than the acceleration of a spaceship well outside of a massive object's gravitational influence. Cortana should know this... and the "field" may not have to be artificial -- Halo's position at Lagrange1, coupled with use of exotic matter in the ring structure, and with rotation tossed in for good measure, could do the trick without really invoking "new" physics, just very clever use of what is already known. the Forerunner(s) were clever, if nothing else.

Message Index

will it go round in circles	Roger Wilco	6/25/02 4:09 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/25/02 5:52 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Roger Wilco	6/25/02 6:46 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Xcruiser	6/25/02 7:29 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Roger Wilco	6/25/02 9:05 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Knight Premier	6/27/02 8:14 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 8:48 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Knight Premier	6/27/02 9:10 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Knight Premier	6/27/02 9:16 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 9:30 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Knight Premier	6/27/02 9:57 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	GrailCWB	6/27/02 10:03 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Louis Wu	6/27/02 10:06 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 10:13 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Pfhoenix	6/25/02 8:46 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Roger Wilco	6/25/02 8:55 p.m.
loving it...	Miguel Chavez	6/25/02 11:59 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	HaloFan	6/26/02 11:02 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	NthDegree256	6/26/02 11:39 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Speedy	6/27/02 12:04 a.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Speedy	6/27/02 12:43 a.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	HaloFan	6/27/02 8:50 a.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	NthDegree256	6/27/02 1:07 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Tru7h	6/27/02 9:29 a.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Louis Wu	6/27/02 9:49 a.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Xcruiser	6/27/02 10:44 a.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Tru7h	6/27/02 1:00 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Knight Premier	6/27/02 8:55 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Tru7h	6/27/02 9:16 p.m.
corriolis rotating for dummies	Tru7h	6/27/02 9:32 p.m.
Re: corriolis rotating for dummies	Knight Premier	6/27/02 10:57 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Roger Wilco	6/27/02 12:15 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 12:54 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Tru7h	6/27/02 1:03 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	NthDegree256	6/27/02 1:04 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	HaloFan	6/27/02 1:10 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	NthDegree256	6/27/02 1:27 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	HaloFan	6/27/02 1:42 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	NthDegree256	6/27/02 1:47 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 1:13 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	NthDegree256	6/27/02 1:36 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 2:11 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	NthDegree256	6/27/02 2:24 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 3:05 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	NthDegree256	6/27/02 3:35 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Roger Wilco	6/27/02 4:03 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Tru7h	6/27/02 4:59 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Roger Wilco	6/27/02 5:15 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Tru7h	6/27/02 5:09 p.m.
Mass Idea	GrailCWB	6/27/02 9:20 p.m.
whath happens when you jump?:) *NM*	Tru7h	6/27/02 9:34 p.m.
Re: Mass Idea	Tru7h	6/28/02 8:45 a.m.
Haven't found an actual statement yet, but...	NthDegree256	6/27/02 4:41 p.m.
Re: Haven't found an actual statement yet, but...	Aida-kun	6/27/02 5:02 p.m.
Re: Haven't found an actual statement yet, but...	Roger Wilco	6/27/02 5:30 p.m.
Re: Haven't found an actual statement yet, but...	NthDegree256	6/27/02 11:21 p.m.
Re: Haven't found an actual statement yet, but...	Roger Wilco	6/28/02 2:00 a.m.
Re: Haven't found an actual statement yet, but...	NthDegree256	6/28/02 3:01 a.m.
Post location...	Louis Wu	6/28/02 9:27 a.m.
Thank You Louis...	Roger Wilco	6/28/02 12:43 p.m.
Re: Thank You Louis...	NthDegree256	6/28/02 1:44 p.m.
Re: Thank You Louis...	Roger Wilco	6/28/02 2:10 p.m.
Heh. :-)	NthDegree256	6/28/02 2:45 p.m.
Re: Heh. :-)	Roger Wilco	6/28/02 3:26 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Knight Premier	6/27/02 9:47 p.m.
K_P... cool it.	Louis Wu	6/27/02 9:54 p.m.
Re: K_P... cool it.	Knight Premier	6/27/02 10:24 p.m.
Re: K_P... cool it.	GrailCWB	6/27/02 10:30 p.m.
Re: K_P... cool it.	Knight Premier	6/27/02 11:02 p.m.
Re: K_P... cool it.	GrailCWB	6/27/02 11:26 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 10:06 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Knight Premier	6/27/02 10:52 p.m.
Sorry, but	Pfhoenix	6/27/02 7:13 p.m.
Re: Sorry, but	Roger Wilco	6/27/02 8:06 p.m.
Re: Sorry, but	NthDegree256	6/27/02 11:36 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Knight Premier	6/27/02 9:27 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 9:39 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Louis Wu	6/27/02 9:48 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Knight Premier	6/27/02 10:19 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Louis Wu	6/27/02 10:37 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Knight Premier	6/27/02 11:11 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	GrailCWB	6/27/02 9:40 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 9:49 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	GrailCWB	6/27/02 9:54 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 10:17 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	GrailCWB	6/27/02 10:26 p.m.
It's love that holds it all together... *NM*	Finn/Daniel	6/27/02 8:01 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Knight Premier	6/27/02 8:37 p.m.
It's right here.	Louis Wu	6/27/02 9:03 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	oldmano'theC	6/27/02 9:22 p.m.
justa notha theory of the spin	Saber	6/27/02 10:15 p.m.
Re: justa notha theory of the spin	GrailCWB	6/27/02 10:21 p.m.
Re: justa notha theory of the spin	Speedy	6/28/02 3:40 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Speedy	6/27/02 11:19 p.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Tirion of *WP*	6/28/02 8:56 a.m.
Re: will it go round in circles	Matthew Hanlon	6/28/02 10:50 a.m.