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Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.
Posted By: thebruce0 <g.may@thebruce.net>Date: 5/23/12 8:17 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories. (Stephen L. (SoundEffect))


: What I'm taking from this is while an author is writing a book it's not a
: story. Only after the book has been written is it a story. So maybe a
: video game like Halo has a story ONLY after you've finished playing and
: seen the only outcome you've played through.

Actually that would be more like saying the video game doesn't have a story until the developers complete the game (to parallel the author writing the book).
Otherwise it would be like saying the book doesn't have a story until the read finished the last page. =P

A complete story, maybe, but I'd say rather the story is unfolding in some manner.

In a book, you read bits of the narrative.
In a video game, bits of the narrative are handed to you - via anything from cutscenes to choice dialogue, to background chatter, to graphics and geometry, etc. The difference is in the video game we have more interactivity and choice in how we consume those bits of narrative.

I really think Cody is taking the gameplay vs story distinction waaaay too far. A game -can- tell a story, but the gameplay itself (taking an action) would be counter to consuming a narrative element.

There is of course the argument that taking an action *is* creating a story element, a custom formed story, within predefined guidelines (the game mechanics and plot flexibility). If I choose to take a certain path, that becomes *my* story within the game. That option was taking into account by the authors so it fits within the greater -narrative-, but by the end of the game, I've consumed that narrative, and customized the journey of *my* character slightly differently than another player.

In book form, choose your own adventure is that sort of storytelling. The greater narrative is already produced so that within it, any number of custom stories may result depending on the actions of the reader.

Anyway, point being, strict narrative I can understand from Cody's point as view being counter to strict gameplay. But can "a game" fundamentally "tell a story"? Of course it can!
How flexible of a story is up to the developer, and the quality of such a story is entirely subjective. That's why we have such a wide range of game genres :)

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Bungie responds to Activision contract.MoltenSlowa 5/21/12 9:25 p.m.
     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Dani 5/21/12 9:31 p.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.RC Master 5/21/12 9:41 p.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Grizzlei 5/21/12 9:48 p.m.
           I was feeling the same when I read that.mneo 5/22/12 12:53 p.m.
                 Re: I was feeling the same when I read that.Beckx 5/22/12 1:03 p.m.
                       Killing two birds with one stone.mneo 5/22/12 1:21 p.m.
     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.kanbo 5/21/12 9:31 p.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.MoltenSlowa 5/21/12 9:43 p.m.
                 Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.ZackDark 5/21/12 9:45 p.m.
     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.munky-058 5/21/12 9:55 p.m.
           +1. *NM*Document 5/22/12 1:27 p.m.
     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/21/12 10:10 p.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.kanbo 5/21/12 10:15 p.m.
                 Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.scarab 5/22/12 7:07 a.m.
                       Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/22/12 11:24 a.m.
                             Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Beckx 5/22/12 11:34 a.m.
                                   Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/22/12 11:52 a.m.
                                         Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Beckx 5/22/12 12:03 p.m.
                                         Videogames can tell very effective stories.Leisandir 5/22/12 12:28 p.m.
                                               Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:18 p.m.
                                                     Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.Leisandir 5/22/12 1:31 p.m.
                                                           Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:43 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.thebruce0 5/22/12 2:08 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 5/23/12 6:32 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.thebruce0 5/23/12 8:17 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Sounds like a big ol' case of semantics. *NM*mattroe 5/22/12 7:34 p.m.
                                                                 Hahaha . . . .Leisandir 5/22/12 8:20 p.m.
                                         Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Leviathan 5/22/12 1:05 p.m.
                                               Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:26 p.m.
                                                     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Leviathan 5/22/12 1:40 p.m.
                                                           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:47 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Leviathan 5/22/12 2:07 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 5/22/12 4:04 p.m.
                                                     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Leisandir 5/22/12 1:42 p.m.
                                                           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:50 p.m.
                                                                 I don't believe it can be simplified like thatEchoes 5/22/12 3:28 p.m.
                             Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.General Vagueness 5/22/12 2:00 p.m.
                             Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.kidtsunami 5/22/12 6:06 p.m.
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                                               Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/23/12 5:24 a.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Arithmomaniac 5/21/12 10:18 p.m.
           yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.Captain Spark 5/21/12 10:49 p.m.
                 Re: yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.Compton 5/21/12 11:51 p.m.
                       Re: yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.Captain Spark 5/22/12 12:07 a.m.
                       Re: yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.Cody Miller 5/22/12 12:54 a.m.
                 Re: yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.General Vagueness 5/22/12 1:16 a.m.
                 Re: yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:19 a.m.
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                       I don't know about you . . . .Leisandir 5/22/12 9:03 a.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Grizzlei 5/22/12 12:20 a.m.
     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Enfinit 5/21/12 10:34 p.m.
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