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Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.
Posted By: Cody MillerDate: 5/23/12 5:24 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract. (scarab)


: Yes I know but a novel can give you 'infinitely' more to work on.

: Games rarely (ever?) tell you what a character is thinking and they spend
: very little time on story related stuff, its mostly fetch quests and
: shooting bad guys.

This has a lot to do with the fact that you the player have to essentially only know what the character you are controlling knows. This leaves very little room for things like subtext and dramatic irony, specifically because if you know what the OTHER characters are really thinking, then it would undermine your decision making process.

A wife is having an affair. Whenever she talks to her husband, there is subtext there because he doesn't know. Her "I love you"s take on a new meaning for the audience. However, the husband makes decisions based on the fact he doesn't know. You can't have anything like that in the video game. If you're controlling the husband and know, then you have no reason to behave normally. If you're controlling the husband and you don't know, there is no irony or subtext in the scene. Either way, this type of presentation doesn't work.

There's always the old adage that if your scene is really about what's it's about, then it's not very good. What this means is that everything that happens in most good stories has layers below the surface. This only works when the audience is separated from the characters, and is part of the reason why video games have difficulty with dramatic narrative.


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Bungie responds to Activision contract.MoltenSlowa 5/21/12 9:25 p.m.
     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Dani 5/21/12 9:31 p.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.RC Master 5/21/12 9:41 p.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Grizzlei 5/21/12 9:48 p.m.
           I was feeling the same when I read that.mneo 5/22/12 12:53 p.m.
                 Re: I was feeling the same when I read that.Beckx 5/22/12 1:03 p.m.
                       Killing two birds with one stone.mneo 5/22/12 1:21 p.m.
     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.kanbo 5/21/12 9:31 p.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.MoltenSlowa 5/21/12 9:43 p.m.
                 Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.ZackDark 5/21/12 9:45 p.m.
     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.munky-058 5/21/12 9:55 p.m.
           +1. *NM*Document 5/22/12 1:27 p.m.
     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/21/12 10:10 p.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.kanbo 5/21/12 10:15 p.m.
                 Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.scarab 5/22/12 7:07 a.m.
                       Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/22/12 11:24 a.m.
                             Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Beckx 5/22/12 11:34 a.m.
                                   Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/22/12 11:52 a.m.
                                         Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Beckx 5/22/12 12:03 p.m.
                                         Videogames can tell very effective stories.Leisandir 5/22/12 12:28 p.m.
                                               Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:18 p.m.
                                                     Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.Leisandir 5/22/12 1:31 p.m.
                                                           Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:43 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.thebruce0 5/22/12 2:08 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 5/23/12 6:32 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Videogames can tell very effective stories.thebruce0 5/23/12 8:17 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Sounds like a big ol' case of semantics. *NM*mattroe 5/22/12 7:34 p.m.
                                                                 Hahaha . . . .Leisandir 5/22/12 8:20 p.m.
                                         Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Leviathan 5/22/12 1:05 p.m.
                                               Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:26 p.m.
                                                     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Leviathan 5/22/12 1:40 p.m.
                                                           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:47 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Leviathan 5/22/12 2:07 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 5/22/12 4:04 p.m.
                                                     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Leisandir 5/22/12 1:42 p.m.
                                                           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:50 p.m.
                                                                 I don't believe it can be simplified like thatEchoes 5/22/12 3:28 p.m.
                             Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.General Vagueness 5/22/12 2:00 p.m.
                             Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.kidtsunami 5/22/12 6:06 p.m.
                                   Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.General Vagueness 5/22/12 7:31 p.m.
                             Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.scarab 5/22/12 9:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.ckamp 5/23/12 12:23 a.m.
                                         Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.scarab 5/23/12 12:45 a.m.
                                               Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.ckamp 5/23/12 3:01 a.m.
                                               Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Cody Miller 5/23/12 5:24 a.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Arithmomaniac 5/21/12 10:18 p.m.
           yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.Captain Spark 5/21/12 10:49 p.m.
                 Re: yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.Compton 5/21/12 11:51 p.m.
                       Re: yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.Captain Spark 5/22/12 12:07 a.m.
                       Re: yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.Cody Miller 5/22/12 12:54 a.m.
                 Re: yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.General Vagueness 5/22/12 1:16 a.m.
                 Re: yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.Cody Miller 5/22/12 1:19 a.m.
                       Re: yikes dude, don't you ever stop bitching.Leviathan 5/22/12 1:41 a.m.
                             ^This^stabbim 5/22/12 5:11 p.m.
                       I don't know about you . . . .Leisandir 5/22/12 9:03 a.m.
           Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Grizzlei 5/22/12 12:20 a.m.
     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.Enfinit 5/21/12 10:34 p.m.
     Re: Bungie responds to Activision contract.VAVA Mk2 5/22/12 6:08 p.m.



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