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Re: Curious, re ILB canon
Posted By: General Vagueness <General.Vagueness@gmail.com>Date: 11/22/11 7:36 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Curious, re ILB canon (Dragonclaws)


the_bruce:
: And also recall that the AIs aren't explicitly "programmed". A
: system is created that flashes the neural networks, effectively taking
: that structure and translating it to code. The workings of an AI are, the
: way I see, a technical mystery - we didn't figure out the human brain,
: we merely converted it to binary (heck by then, probably a whole lot
: of quantum computing :)

That's exactly it, it's code (and data), it can be unclear to people how it works but coming from a (part of a) human doesn't mean it magically exceeds the bounds of what computers can do-- they run specific instructions, and that's likely how they'll always work. Even with advancements in technology and programming that allow for a more naturalistic method computing it has to be turned into something able to run on a computer. If something in the code is designed to enter other systems that's one thing, but to split like that, and to have that degree of functionality, and to "merge" like that, and maintain sentience the whole time...

Dragonclaws:
: Consider human brains in which the corpus callosum malfunctions and right and
: left brains function simultaneously, each being essentially the person in
: full but becoming slightly different so that it is in effect two minds in
: the same body. As smart AIs are built from human brains, is it so
: implausible (in an already soft SF universe) that an AI could function the
: same way?

actually this helps quite nicely-- human brains do not work that way. [Morbo_windmills.jpg etc. etc.] This is sort of a folk medicine/folk psychology legend, there are things that connect the hemispheres besides the corpus collosum, and although it's by far the most major component connecting them and severing it has drastic effects, someone with severed hemispheres is just as much one person as they ever were and barring unrelated circumstances has nearly all of their former abilities. Even the evidence for the two hemispheres doing different things is now being re-examined and some researchers are putting forth a comparison to doing the same things, just differently, partly because which half can do what isn't always the same between people, even with similar genes and the same injury. This kind of trait may well carry over into a virtual/artificial brain/mind, making the division not make any sense.
and anyway quantum computing just makes the whole thing even less likely because computers today probably wouldn't be able to handle the data and instructions from a quantum computer; the reasons that come to mind right now are potential higher data storage and quantum computers being way, way faster, so even the whole Internet might not be able to hold a human-level intelligence just in terms of storage, or even all the processing power in the world might not be enough, the AI code might run so slow as to effectively not be running, and become useless

You cannot fall off the floor.



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     Great vid! Thanks, Frank!The Lionheart 11/16/11 11:37 a.m.
     LOL@comment: Wtf, this guy ain't Steve Austin! =D *NM*cardo 8 atl 11/16/11 2:35 p.m.



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