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Re: Curious, re ILB canon
Posted By: Dragonclaws <nogard@gmail.com>Date: 11/21/11 1:05 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Curious, re ILB canon (thebruce0)


: Seewhatimean? Introducing new stuff isn't contradicting old stuff,
: necessarily. If ILB doesn't explicitly contradict, then it can be made
: canon without issue (not counting dissenting opinions about its story :)

: What interests me more is that they've often referred to it as official canon
: now, which means in their mind it has to somehow impact the greater story;
: there must have been an issue that caused them to distinguish it from
: non-canon. So.. what was it that caused them to declare it canon?

: More Apocalypso plz. More space/time relativity sci-fi plz. More Durga plz.
: More Jan James plz! :D

I am a great fan of ILB, but it does bother me that Frankie just said that it "is canon" without any qualifiers. When he was in an interview for the HGN, he said that Bungie was embracing it as canon, which is less definite as saying it's canon. There are parts of ILB that simply don't work with the current state of Halo canon. In the HGN, two ONI guys reference Herzog and Standish--who wouldn't have conflicted if not for the main ILB storyline with Melissa and the artifact--but their timeline is different from that presented in ILB. So, what it seems like is that Bungie was/343i is finding interesting elements of ILB and incorporating them into Halo canon without adhering too strictly to ILB canon.

Maybe Yasmine will later be presented as a Spartan-III or as a Spartan-II, but from John's class. There is a bit of wiggle room with the timeline because they could retcon Melissa being made several years after Yasmine's death. I'd like Jan, Kamal, et al. to come back, but I suspect they'd be less interested in those characters.

What I suspect most interests them from ILB is the take on rampancy. In FOR, Cortana describes the seven year lifespan of smart AIs, saying that afterwards they become rampant, which she describes as like computer dementia. This goes against Marathon rampancy and is more just borrowing the word than presenting something similar. In ILB, however, they made it closer to Marathon rampancy when Durga describes that after seven years a smart AI goes crazy and needs to be shut down by the UNSC, implying that the seven year lifespan is just imposed by law rather than being a limit of computer technology. It is also implied that Durga was made rampant by the artifact, and so draws the listening audience to be sympathetic to a rogue Rampant AI. In CH, rampancy was again described, and it was more of a compromise between FOR rampancy and ILB rampancy, with AIs becoming human-like and adopting god-like delusions of grandeur, and by the end we're sympathetic to two Rampant AIs.


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     Great vid! Thanks, Frank!The Lionheart 11/16/11 11:37 a.m.
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