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Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish play
Posted By: Hawaiian Pig <hawaiianpig@haloreachisnotcanon.net>Date: 10/5/10 4:23 p.m.

In Response To: Why arena ranking promotes selfish play (Cody Miller)


Minimizing your own deaths and minimizing your team's deaths are not mutually exclusive. Could you provide me a scenario where your teammate is about to die and you choose to do nothing about it because of this perceived divergence of goals?

In all cases, there are two options:

1. Get involved and kill, or assist in killing, the opponent threatening your teammate.
2. Do not get involved.

It almost sounds obvious what should be done here, but it isn't. What makes a good player choose between these two options?

For the K/D oriented, risk of his/her own death.

For the Team oriented player, also risk of his/her own death.

Killing the opponent and saving your teammate maximizes your kills, this goal, as you point out, is good for the whole team.

But sometimes, opting not to help is the best choice, as helping can put you at great risk of death.

This also helps your team.

There are a few outcomes here:

1. You save your teammate, and kill the opponent. (net team gain of +1)
2. You don't save your teammate, and kill the opponent. (net team gain of 0)
3. You don't save your teammate, you die, and your opponent survives. (net team loss of -2)

For the Team oriented player, Option 3 must be avoided at all costs. To avoid Option 3, you need to engage in mortality calculus: "Will I or will I not die if I pursue?"

If you remove the fact that a teammate is in danger in this scenario, the thought process is still the same as someone who is K/D oriented.

This question of mortality is central to practically every FPS, and is arguably the absolute most important tenant of these kinds games. Preserving your life optimally is good for you, and it's good for your team. I see no instance where doing so doesn't benefit your team.

I don't see how someone optimizing their K/D can possibly do so at the detriment of their team? If every player is successful in optimizing their K/D, then that team will undoubtedly win.


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Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 4:05 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playRobbert014 10/5/10 4:12 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playProjectD13X 10/5/10 4:18 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playwolfman 10/5/10 4:20 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playJonnyOThan 10/5/10 4:21 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playsharpsniper99 10/5/10 5:13 p.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 6:38 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playsharpsniper99 10/5/10 7:32 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 5:35 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 4:23 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 4:23 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 4:29 p.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 4:35 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 4:38 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 4:42 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSonofMacPhisto 10/5/10 4:51 p.m.
                                   Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 5:07 p.m.
                                         Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSonofMacPhisto 10/5/10 5:24 p.m.
                                         Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 5:49 p.m.
                                               Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 5:47 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playDHalo 10/5/10 6:04 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 6:30 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playJonnyOThan 10/5/10 7:01 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playRC Master 10/6/10 6:01 a.m.
                                   Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playdogcom 10/6/10 6:27 a.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playEiii 10/5/10 7:24 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 7:33 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 7:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playZaneZavin 10/5/10 8:39 p.m.
                                   Fruits of a discussion on IRCHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 10:29 p.m.
                                         ^ Everyone in this thread READ THIS POST *NM*Eiii 10/6/10 1:23 a.m.
                                         I only one wants scream NO MATH Idiocracy? *NM *NM*moicus 10/7/10 4:34 a.m.
                                         Re: Fruits of a discussion on IRCCody Miller 10/7/10 12:13 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 5:34 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playKalamariKidd 10/5/10 4:26 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSnave 10/5/10 4:45 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSonofMacPhisto 10/5/10 4:54 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSchooly D 10/5/10 5:05 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playyakaman 10/5/10 5:08 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playJonnyOThan 10/5/10 7:07 p.m.
                 Deaths?Wayward Spleen™ 10/6/10 8:27 a.m.
                       Re: Deaths?CaneCutter 10/6/10 10:25 a.m.
                       Re: Deaths?JonnyOThan 10/6/10 10:27 a.m.
                             Re: Deaths?Wayward Spleen™ 10/6/10 10:37 a.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playfuriocity 10/5/10 7:10 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playGeneral Vagueness 10/6/10 12:19 a.m.
     Re: Alternately, why isn't it more selfish?gspawn 10/6/10 2:37 p.m.



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