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Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish play
Posted By: Robbert014 <robbie-de-veen@hotmail.com>Date: 10/5/10 4:12 p.m.

In Response To: Why arena ranking promotes selfish play (Cody Miller)


: I believe that on principle, but not necessarily on a practical level, that
: the arena ranking system is flawed for team games in that it promotes
: selfish play, and penalizes players who try to help their team.

: In Team slayer, the goal of the team is to maximize the K/D ratio of the
: entire team. In arena, the goal is to maximize your individual K/D
: ratio. At first glance it might seem to be the same thing, after all, a
: player who dies less and kills more does nothing but help his team win.
: There is however a very important difference, that affects the way players
: approach optimal play.

: Maximizing the K/D ratio involves two thing: maximizing kills, and minimizing
: deaths. Maximizing kills turns out to work the same way in both arena and
: in regular team slayer. In Team slayer, helping your teammate make a kill
: helps increase the team's overall K/D ratio. When maximizing individual
: K/D ratio, this would be a wasted effort. However, since Bungie counts an
: assist as much as a kill, helping maximize the kills of your team as a
: whole also helps maximize your individual K/D ratio. So far so good.

: The problem comes with minimizing deaths. In team slayer, when a teammate
: dies this is bad for you, and bad for the team since the team's overall
: K/D ratio falls. However in arena, this has no effect at all on your
: individual K/D ratio, since a teammate's death has no affect on that.
: Thus, in arena a player has no incentive to protect his teammates and keep
: them from dying, whereas in team slayer he does!

: This is a divergence is goals! Every second you spend keeping a teammate
: alive and not getting an assist, is a second you waste in raising your own
: K/D ratio. Thus optimal play is to only worry about your own deaths, and
: not those of your teammates. So on principle, playing optimally in arena
: involves playing more selfishly than playing optimally in team slayer.
: Whether this manifests itself in any practical way remains to be seen.

: Discuss.

This is why I'm glad I mostly play arena with friends. The times I do play with randoms, I do very bad.


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Replies:

Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 4:05 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playRobbert014 10/5/10 4:12 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playProjectD13X 10/5/10 4:18 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playwolfman 10/5/10 4:20 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playJonnyOThan 10/5/10 4:21 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playsharpsniper99 10/5/10 5:13 p.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 6:38 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playsharpsniper99 10/5/10 7:32 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 5:35 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 4:23 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 4:23 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 4:29 p.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 4:35 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 4:38 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 4:42 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSonofMacPhisto 10/5/10 4:51 p.m.
                                   Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 5:07 p.m.
                                         Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSonofMacPhisto 10/5/10 5:24 p.m.
                                         Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 5:49 p.m.
                                               Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 5:47 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playDHalo 10/5/10 6:04 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 6:30 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playJonnyOThan 10/5/10 7:01 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playRC Master 10/6/10 6:01 a.m.
                                   Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playdogcom 10/6/10 6:27 a.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playEiii 10/5/10 7:24 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 7:33 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 7:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playZaneZavin 10/5/10 8:39 p.m.
                                   Fruits of a discussion on IRCHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 10:29 p.m.
                                         ^ Everyone in this thread READ THIS POST *NM*Eiii 10/6/10 1:23 a.m.
                                         I only one wants scream NO MATH Idiocracy? *NM *NM*moicus 10/7/10 4:34 a.m.
                                         Re: Fruits of a discussion on IRCCody Miller 10/7/10 12:13 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 5:34 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playKalamariKidd 10/5/10 4:26 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSnave 10/5/10 4:45 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSonofMacPhisto 10/5/10 4:54 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSchooly D 10/5/10 5:05 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playyakaman 10/5/10 5:08 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playJonnyOThan 10/5/10 7:07 p.m.
                 Deaths?Wayward Spleen™ 10/6/10 8:27 a.m.
                       Re: Deaths?CaneCutter 10/6/10 10:25 a.m.
                       Re: Deaths?JonnyOThan 10/6/10 10:27 a.m.
                             Re: Deaths?Wayward Spleen™ 10/6/10 10:37 a.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playfuriocity 10/5/10 7:10 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playGeneral Vagueness 10/6/10 12:19 a.m.
     Re: Alternately, why isn't it more selfish?gspawn 10/6/10 2:37 p.m.



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