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Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish play
Posted By: wolfman <mengley@hotmail.com>Date: 10/5/10 4:20 p.m.

In Response To: Why arena ranking promotes selfish play (Cody Miller)


: The problem comes with minimizing deaths. In team slayer, when a teammate
: dies this is bad for you, and bad for the team since the team's overall
: K/D ratio falls. However in arena, this has no effect at all on your
: individual K/D ratio, since a teammate's death has no affect on that.
: Thus, in arena a player has no incentive to protect his teammates and keep
: them from dying, whereas in team slayer he does!

: This is a divergence is goals! Every second you spend keeping a teammate
: alive and not getting an assist, is a second you waste in raising your own
: K/D ratio. Thus optimal play is to only worry about your own deaths, and
: not those of your teammates. So on principle, playing optimally in arena
: involves playing more selfishly than playing optimally in team slayer.
: Whether this manifests itself in any practical way remains to be seen.

: Discuss.

I think talking about death's contributions to your ranking is a very roundabout way (as you get to in your last paragraph) of pinpointing the real issue. Assists may be equally valuable from a calculation standpoint as Kills, but they're ironically much more difficult to get, given the weapon damage of the DMR and the 40% bar to clear before you'll get some credit.

Since it takes 5 shots to kill with the DMR and you have to land 3 shots to do enough damage for an assist, you'll never get more than one assist/kill for a team -- the incentive to teamshoot is way, way lower, since the odds of getting an assist with your one or two shot contribution are so small.

Drop that percentage to 20% or lower would help a lot more than adjusting the " - 1/3D " portion of the ranking calculation, I think. I'd be curious to hear why Assists aren't calculated the same way they were in H3, where a smaller contribution will still count. You're never going to see those crazy good teams showing Assists equal to or above Kills for all players, which I think is a truer reflection of the reality.


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Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 4:05 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playRobbert014 10/5/10 4:12 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playProjectD13X 10/5/10 4:18 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playwolfman 10/5/10 4:20 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playJonnyOThan 10/5/10 4:21 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playsharpsniper99 10/5/10 5:13 p.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 6:38 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playsharpsniper99 10/5/10 7:32 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 5:35 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 4:23 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 4:23 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 4:29 p.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 4:35 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 4:38 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 4:42 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSonofMacPhisto 10/5/10 4:51 p.m.
                                   Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 5:07 p.m.
                                         Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSonofMacPhisto 10/5/10 5:24 p.m.
                                         Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 5:49 p.m.
                                               Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playnash--housewares 10/5/10 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 5:47 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playDHalo 10/5/10 6:04 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 6:30 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playJonnyOThan 10/5/10 7:01 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playRC Master 10/6/10 6:01 a.m.
                                   Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playdogcom 10/6/10 6:27 a.m.
                 Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playEiii 10/5/10 7:24 p.m.
                       Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 7:33 p.m.
                             Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 7:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playZaneZavin 10/5/10 8:39 p.m.
                                   Fruits of a discussion on IRCHawaiian Pig 10/5/10 10:29 p.m.
                                         ^ Everyone in this thread READ THIS POST *NM*Eiii 10/6/10 1:23 a.m.
                                         I only one wants scream NO MATH Idiocracy? *NM *NM*moicus 10/7/10 4:34 a.m.
                                         Re: Fruits of a discussion on IRCCody Miller 10/7/10 12:13 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playCody Miller 10/5/10 5:34 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playKalamariKidd 10/5/10 4:26 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSnave 10/5/10 4:45 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSonofMacPhisto 10/5/10 4:54 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playSchooly D 10/5/10 5:05 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playyakaman 10/5/10 5:08 p.m.
           Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playJonnyOThan 10/5/10 7:07 p.m.
                 Deaths?Wayward Spleen™ 10/6/10 8:27 a.m.
                       Re: Deaths?CaneCutter 10/6/10 10:25 a.m.
                       Re: Deaths?JonnyOThan 10/6/10 10:27 a.m.
                             Re: Deaths?Wayward Spleen™ 10/6/10 10:37 a.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playfuriocity 10/5/10 7:10 p.m.
     Re: Why arena ranking promotes selfish playGeneral Vagueness 10/6/10 12:19 a.m.
     Re: Alternately, why isn't it more selfish?gspawn 10/6/10 2:37 p.m.



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