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Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :P
Posted By: Tru7hDate: 12/30/02 4:25 p.m.

In Response To: Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :P (Vid Boi)

: Here it is so far: I basically started by doing what Tasnu Arakun did in the
: post below, only not on my own text but on the S'pht clan names and the
: words/sentences "K'liah'Narhl" and "S'ct'lac'tr". The
: only diphthongs in all those words are ia and oa, and they are never in
: the middle of a word, they end words. I think they are mostly used in
: names.

: The letter H does seem a bit strange, I think its function is to change the
: pronounciation/behaviour of the preceding letter but I'm not really sure
: about what it really does. But it was added to K'lia in
: "K'liah'Narhl" because a vowel can't be followed by an
: apostrophe.

: Nouns are in general short, and begin with a single consonant followed by an
: apostrophe. So "vengeance" is actually N'arhl only the
: apostrophe is moved a step to the left in "K'liah'Narhl"
: because: Combining two words with an apostrophe is like Japanese
: "no" which means sort of "of". blah'yadda (or blah no
: yadda in Japanese :P ) would mean "yadda of blah". But one
: single consonant surrounded by apostrophes looks silly. See:
: "K'liah'N'arhl". So the original apostrophe was removed.

: After discovering (or rather assuming) that, it looked like
: "S'ct'lac'tr" could mean something so I created vocabulary from
: it.

: S'ct - n, enemy
: L'ac - n, death
: C'tr - n, disease

: If you combine them as above you get S'ct'lac'ctr ("disease of death of
: enemy", or "virus that kills pfhor" :P ), but one C is
: removed because two of the same consonants can't be next to each other,
: with some exceptions (Yrro).

: After that things got a bit less detailed because I wanted to go to sleep.

: But verbs (which begin with a consonant, an apostrophe and after that often a
: vowel) are conjugated by adding a vowel to the word, "i" for
: past, "a" for present, "o" for future and
: "u" for past when talking about something that could have
: happened but did not. Verbs can also be created from nouns by adding
: "arhl" which I did with my home-made word T'ra - (hatred) ->
: T'rarhl (to hate)

: Adjectives start with a consonant and most often no apostrophe. Many
: adjectives were originally created from nouns and verbs by removing the
: apostrophe, for example Ktra (brutal) from K'trarhl (fight). (That the
: word for fight ends in "arhl" is a coincidence, it was not
: created from a noun the way I talk about somewhere earlier.) Some nouns
: and adjectives are therefore created by adding an apostrophe to the
: original, adjective form of the word. Adjectives are written after the
: noun they refer to, and combined with apostrophes the way I also mention
: somewhere earlier :P

: Like in Japanese, S'pht probably has different numerical words (or whatever
: it's called) when just counting and when counting objects. (OK, Japanese
: has a hundred, but S'pht only has two.) One of them I haven't thought of
: because I was basically creating grammar in order to translate that short
: text, since it contains a lot of basic grammar. =)

: So when counting objects, letters are added to the nouns to incidate how many
: there are.

: 1 rk
: 2 tr
: 3 lha
: 4 nr
: 5 ct
: 6 kn
: 7 shr
: 8 mn
: 9 pht
: 10 bhu

: They are also combined with apostrophes. "S'pht'kter'k" - "One
: clan of the S'pht"...

: R'ar means "and" and is used with spaces (blah r'ar yadda -
: "blah and yadda") however if it is within a word combination as
: above, it is treated like a noun. (blah'rar'yadda'blip means "blip of
: blah and yadda")

: "Rhl" - "in", is used as a single word, with spaces,
: unless inside a word combination: S'pht'rhl'racn'ktr = "The power
: (?pain) of the S'pht in war"

: By the way, the word "the" doesn't exist, it's not really necessary
: and just messes things up. So S'pht can both mean S'pht and The S'pht,
: you'll have to interpret that from context.

: Finally, I put together some words in order to translate that text. I made
: them by making a chart of which letters can follow a certain letter,
: according to Bungie's words and names. Here it is (an asterisk means the
: character can end a word)

: A: r, l, c, *
: R: r, o, a, k, (h)l, *
: T: h, e, r, (h)a, *
: L: i, o, (h)a, a, *
: N: m, r, c, t, a, *
: C: a, t, n, *
: I: a, r, c
: K: r, a, n, t
: O: w, n, a, r, *
: S: (h)r
: Y: r, o
: M: a, n
: P: (h)t, t(h)
: V: i, a
: F: none
: W: o
: U: t
: E: r
: B: (h)u
: J: i

: The higher up in the chart, the more common the letter is (at least in
: Bungie's words & names)

: Then I started with a random letter and found my way to a huge number of
: words, from which I sorted out the ones that didn't sound good or didn't
: sound S'pht or weren't linguistically beautiful compared to the words
: Bungie created. Here is the full vocabulary as it looks right now: C'tr -
: n, disease
: K'ter - n, clan / royalty / mind
: K'tr - a, powerful / painful OR n, power / pain (related to C'tr, disease)
: Ktra - a, brutal
: K'tra - a, reclusive / soliraty / alone / lonely / lonesome
: K'trarhl - v, to fight (smaller fights) (note that this is not a verb created
: from K'tr!)
: L'ac - n, death
: L'o - "when" ("when" I shot him)
: L'or - a, reclusive / soliraty / alone / lonely / lonesome
: L'orhl - once (shoot him "once")
: N'arhl - n, vengeance
: R'acn - n, war or combat / damage / sarcasm
: R'ar - and
: R'aracth - v, to fight (used about massive fights, wars)
: Rhl - in (literally or figurative)
: S'ct - n, enemy
: T'orknctha - to burn
: T'ra - n, hatred
: Tract - a, abandoned
: T'ract - v, to abandon
: T'rarhl - v, to hate
: T'rhl - once ("once" upon a time)
: Trk - a, vile / ugly
: T'rk - n, ugliness
: T'rka - n, tissue
: T'ro - "when" ("when" did that happen?)
: T'ror - n, anyone / "one" OR a, average

AHHHHHHHHH POP!

greath ther goes my vacation

-Tru7h
-starts gathering brain bits on the floor

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S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 9:50 a.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesAgent Shem 12/29/02 10:05 a.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesHamish Sinclair 12/29/02 10:13 a.m.
           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 11:57 a.m.
                 Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 12:09 p.m.
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           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesTodd 12/29/02 6:03 p.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesZeus 12/29/02 11:44 a.m.
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     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 3:08 p.m.
     The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PVid Boi 12/29/02 4:20 p.m.
           Very very cool...Agent Shem 12/29/02 4:47 p.m.
           Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PM 12/29/02 7:38 p.m.
                 Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PMax Etchemendy 12/30/02 2:06 a.m.
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           Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PMax Etchemendy 12/30/02 2:08 a.m.
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                       Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PTru7h 12/30/02 4:25 p.m.
           Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PTasnu Arakun 12/30/02 2:38 a.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Steve Levinson 12/30/02 6:18 a.m.
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                                                           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Yossarian 12/31/02 1:44 p.m.
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                                                                       Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 1/2/03 1:47 a.m.
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