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Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :P
Posted By: Tasnu ArakunDate: 12/30/02 2:38 a.m.

In Response To: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :P (Vid Boi)

: L'o S'pht'rhl r'aracthi r'acn'ktra,
: l'o t'ra t'orknctha t'ror'sct'rka,
: K'ter'k, S'pht'Kr, l'or'ar k'tra,
: t'racti Lh'owon.

this is quite a remarkable work vidboy!

i've attempted an analysis of the letters and phonemes of the S'pht language which might help if we are to construct an alphabet. i'm unsure however if the language was ever meant for such close scrutinization.

vidboy's poem holds the following phonemes:

consonants: c, k, l, n, r, s, t, w, ph, th, lh, rh, '
vowels: a, e, i, o

my take on the "lh" and "rh" is that thay are voiceless "l" and "r" just as in lappish (closely related to finnish) and sindarin (one of tolkien's elvish tongues).

the apostrophes might be used as a stop as in Klingon and Robert Jordan's Old Tongue and therefor might be considered a letter by iself.

within the the name "S’bhuth", how would one pronounce the "bh" phoneme (and does this mean there is a "b" phoneme)? my guess is that just as "ph" turns into "f", "bh" turns into "v". on the other hand, there are the clans of S'pht'Vir and S'pht'Val both which are spelled with "v".

the clan "S’pht’Shr" seems to hold a "sh" phoneme, dare we assume the presence of a "kh" as well?

we know from the Forge-movies that "S'pht" is ponounced "sfit". the question is: why is S'pht spelled with a "ph" when "F'lickta" is spelled with "f"?

why are some words spelled with "c" and some with "k"? even more interesting, why is there a "ck" in the word "F'lickta"? could it be for historical reasons similar to the spelling of 19th century swedish were a word like "bliva" was spelled "blifva" but still pronounced the same way.

the name of the two moons "Y'loa" and "T'jia" contains the letters "y" and "j". "y" most likely is consonantal. thru the names "Pthia" and "S’pht’Nma" we also get "p" and "m".

i don't know if i agree with vidboy abouut the letter "h". there's the question of the names "S’pht’Hra" and "K'liah'Narhl".

thus, so far the list of phonemes look (more or less) like this:

consonants: c, f, h, j, k, l, m, n, p, r, s, t, v, w, y, ph, th, lh, rh, bh, sh, '
vowels: a, e, i, o

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oh, and finally, unles someone already found it, here's an example of some pfhor-ish ;)

"Phan Pfhar Sfaern-Wsawn Tshah" = Ministry for the Eradication Through Imitation of Hostile Species Unsuitable for Enslavement

-- hugo forss

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S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 9:50 a.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesAgent Shem 12/29/02 10:05 a.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesHamish Sinclair 12/29/02 10:13 a.m.
           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 11:57 a.m.
                 Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 12:09 p.m.
                       Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 12:15 p.m.
           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesTodd 12/29/02 6:03 p.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesZeus 12/29/02 11:44 a.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesHamburgerBoy 12/29/02 1:02 p.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 3:08 p.m.
     The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PVid Boi 12/29/02 4:20 p.m.
           Very very cool...Agent Shem 12/29/02 4:47 p.m.
           Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :P•M 12/29/02 7:38 p.m.
                 Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PMax Etchemendy 12/30/02 2:06 a.m.
                       Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PSteve Levinson 12/30/02 6:03 a.m.
           Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PMax Etchemendy 12/30/02 2:08 a.m.
                 Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PVid Boi 12/30/02 6:05 a.m.
                       S'Pht NumbersSteve Levinson 12/30/02 9:14 a.m.
                             Re: S'Pht NumbersSteve Levinson 12/31/02 4:51 a.m.
                                   Re: S'Pht NumbersMax Etchemendy 12/31/02 11:02 a.m.
                                         S'pht Writing, Numerical and Otherwisepoena.dare #CP# 1/1/03 11:02 a.m.
                       Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PTru7h 12/30/02 4:25 p.m.
           Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PTasnu Arakun 12/30/02 2:38 a.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Steve Levinson 12/30/02 6:18 a.m.
           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/30/02 9:41 a.m.
                 Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/30/02 1:01 p.m.
           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Yossarian 12/30/02 3:56 p.m.
                 Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/31/02 12:53 a.m.
                       Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/31/02 1:06 a.m.
                             Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?ukimalefu 12/31/02 8:51 a.m.
                                   Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Steve Levinson 12/31/02 10:22 a.m.
                                         Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/31/02 10:37 a.m.
                                               Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Yossarian 12/31/02 11:53 a.m.
                                                     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Steve Levinson 12/31/02 12:11 p.m.
                                                           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/31/02 12:26 p.m.
                                                           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Yossarian 12/31/02 1:44 p.m.
                                                                 Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?SneakyPete 1/1/03 9:11 p.m.
                                                                       Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 1/2/03 1:47 a.m.
                                                                       Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Yossarian 1/2/03 4:57 p.m.
                                                                             Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 1/2/03 7:50 p.m.
                                         Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?ukimalefu 1/1/03 11:37 p.m.
           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Vid Boi 12/31/02 2:41 p.m.
                 Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Steve Levinson 1/1/03 8:00 a.m.
                       Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Hamish Sinclair 1/1/03 8:33 a.m.
                             Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?DonPistola 1/1/03 12:35 p.m.
                                   Auugh! I'm replying to my own post!DonPistola 1/1/03 2:26 p.m.
     OK, Vid Boi...poena.dare #CP# 12/30/02 12:25 p.m.
           Agreed! *NM*Steve Levinson 12/31/02 5:01 a.m.
     Update!Vid Boi 12/31/02 3:50 p.m.
           Webpage!Vid Boi 12/31/02 5:47 p.m.
           Re: Update!Aaron Davies 1/2/03 7:31 p.m.
                 Re: Update!Vid Boi 1/3/03 3:50 a.m.



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