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Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?
Posted By: YossarianDate: 12/31/02 1:44 p.m.

In Response To: Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak? (Steve Levinson)

: Not until we make them bloody ;-)

: It's incredibly human-centric to think of ears in terms of the external
: appendages we carry on either side of our head. Sharks, frogs and, among
: mamals, whales and dolphins all have ears that are structurally equivalent
: to our own - they just don't have external auricular appendages. Just
: because they don't have externally visible ears doesn't mean that they
: don't have some sort of auditory organ.

Sure, but the examples you mentioned are either water-based or amphibious creatures where external sound amplifying appendages aren't necessary. I don't think it's human-centric at all; it's an evolutionary advantage for certain animals to have such appendages...take owls for instance, their very faces are huge sound collectors, and this is a tremendous advantage to them.

And this may be a long shot, but from the pictures we've seen of them, can we really deny the fact of S'pht physical evolution? Sure, take away their implants and they have the brain of a cocker spaniel, but could an animal that is nothing more than a giant floating brain survive with the anatomy and physiology of a modern s'pht? In Charon Doesn't Make Change we learn from the pfhor studies of the f'lickta:

"Our scientific studies have revealed that
these creatures are genetic ancestors of
the S'pht, although in morphological terms
this is absurd."

So do the s'pht and f'lickta share common ancestors or what? In Six Thousand Feet Under we read:

"Fleeing all W'rkncacnter, Yrro and Pthia settled upon Lh'owon. They brought the S'pht, servants who began to shape the deserts of Lh'owon into marsh and sea, rivers and forests. They made sisters for Lh'owon to protect and maintain the paradise."

So did Yrro and Pthia bring the common ancestor of both to Lh'owon or the separate species together? Remember how the f'lickta were left behind to keep the ducts clean...are they the "sisters" spoken of, since f'lickta are pretty good at defence and maintenance?

The point is that the s'pht we see in the modern incarnation must have done some extensive evolving, for if they came from the same envrionment as their cousins the f'lickta (who have had to evolve nasty claws and teeth and fire-ball hurling abilities to survive), they would have, in their non-cybernetic state, had a body "fitter" than a big cerebrum.

Back to the topic, what if s'pht language was both audible AND technological, simply not spoken as we know it. Much like how a modem or fax machine would communicate...the structure of the language makes it efficient enough so that it doesn't have to be spoken, merely conveyed from speaker to microphone on these creatures...wouldn't at least THAT make more sense considering that without their cybernetic implants they're just animals anyway?

I'm not saying that the whole S'pth language thing is a bad idea...what Vid Boi did simply kicks ass, and if interest continues it's something I'd like to learn... I'm merely stating that they lack the anatomy in which to communicate as humans do, and that assuming they do is more human-centric than anything.

Yossarian...

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S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 9:50 a.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesAgent Shem 12/29/02 10:05 a.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesHamish Sinclair 12/29/02 10:13 a.m.
           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 11:57 a.m.
                 Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 12:09 p.m.
                       Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 12:15 p.m.
           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesTodd 12/29/02 6:03 p.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesZeus 12/29/02 11:44 a.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesHamburgerBoy 12/29/02 1:02 p.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languagesVid Boi 12/29/02 3:08 p.m.
     The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PVid Boi 12/29/02 4:20 p.m.
           Very very cool...Agent Shem 12/29/02 4:47 p.m.
           Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PM 12/29/02 7:38 p.m.
                 Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PMax Etchemendy 12/30/02 2:06 a.m.
                       Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PSteve Levinson 12/30/02 6:03 a.m.
           Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PMax Etchemendy 12/30/02 2:08 a.m.
                 Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PVid Boi 12/30/02 6:05 a.m.
                       S'Pht NumbersSteve Levinson 12/30/02 9:14 a.m.
                             Re: S'Pht NumbersSteve Levinson 12/31/02 4:51 a.m.
                                   Re: S'Pht NumbersMax Etchemendy 12/31/02 11:02 a.m.
                                         S'pht Writing, Numerical and Otherwisepoena.dare #CP# 1/1/03 11:02 a.m.
                       Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PTru7h 12/30/02 4:25 p.m.
           Re: The little Esperanto of Bungie fans :PTasnu Arakun 12/30/02 2:38 a.m.
     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Steve Levinson 12/30/02 6:18 a.m.
           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/30/02 9:41 a.m.
                 Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/30/02 1:01 p.m.
           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Yossarian 12/30/02 3:56 p.m.
                 Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/31/02 12:53 a.m.
                       Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/31/02 1:06 a.m.
                             Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?ukimalefu 12/31/02 8:51 a.m.
                                   Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Steve Levinson 12/31/02 10:22 a.m.
                                         Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/31/02 10:37 a.m.
                                               Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Yossarian 12/31/02 11:53 a.m.
                                                     Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Steve Levinson 12/31/02 12:11 p.m.
                                                           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 12/31/02 12:26 p.m.
                                                           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Yossarian 12/31/02 1:44 p.m.
                                                                 Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?SneakyPete 1/1/03 9:11 p.m.
                                                                       Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 1/2/03 1:47 a.m.
                                                                       Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Yossarian 1/2/03 4:57 p.m.
                                                                             Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Max Etchemendy 1/2/03 7:50 p.m.
                                         Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?ukimalefu 1/1/03 11:37 p.m.
           Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Vid Boi 12/31/02 2:41 p.m.
                 Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Steve Levinson 1/1/03 8:00 a.m.
                       Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?Hamish Sinclair 1/1/03 8:33 a.m.
                             Re: S'pht & Pfhor languages - do S'Pht Speak?DonPistola 1/1/03 12:35 p.m.
                                   Auugh! I'm replying to my own post!DonPistola 1/1/03 2:26 p.m.
     OK, Vid Boi...poena.dare #CP# 12/30/02 12:25 p.m.
           Agreed! *NM*Steve Levinson 12/31/02 5:01 a.m.
     Update!Vid Boi 12/31/02 3:50 p.m.
           Webpage!Vid Boi 12/31/02 5:47 p.m.
           Re: Update!Aaron Davies 1/2/03 7:31 p.m.
                 Re: Update!Vid Boi 1/3/03 3:50 a.m.



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