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Re: WTF? Are we still arguing about this?
Posted By: ArteenEsben	Date: 3/9/11 12:56 p.m.
In Response To: WTF? Are we still arguing about this? (Gilver) : Dude reticle bloom is just showing you what has always been there, which is : the accuracy/inaccaracy of your weaponat different rates of fire. There : has ALWAYS been spread, which is what bloom is showing. : Reticle bloom is doing NOTHING to make shots inaccurate!!! : Good lord. I cannot believe this is STILL disputed when there is very solid : evidence. There is a fundamental difference between traditional spread and bullet error that has always been in the games and the bloom mechanic in Reach. Projectile error in Halo 1: Fire the pistol long range. Wait a second, then fire again. The bullet holes will be in different locations. projectiles have natural error. Weapon error (spread): Hold down the trigger of the pistol. The longer you hold down the trigger, the larger the spread of the bullets. Lack of bloom: Rapidly fire the pistol (don't hold it down) at one spot. Now slowly fire the pistol at another spot. Either way is just as accurate. Hence, you can always fire the pistol as fast as possible without loss of accuracy. This is where previous games and Reach differ. In previous games it is always best to fire as fast as possible, from the Halo 1 pistol to the Halo 3 battle rifle. In Reach, you need to pace your shots to be most effective. This is the fundamental difference, and why bloom isn't simply showing something that was always there. Technically, the code for bloom has been in Halo since Halo 1 (weapon initial error, final error, acceleration time and deceleration time), but at best it had an imperceptible effect, and in most cases it had no effect at all. Sniper rifle? Always 100% accurate. Plasma rifle, needler, plasma pistol, flamethrower, rocket launcher, shotgun? Deceleration time of 0 seconds. Pistol? Deceleration time of 0.2 seconds, which is less than the 0.29 seconds between shots, so as long as you don't hold the trigger down, it might as well not exist. The assault rifle and plasma cannon have bloom, and that's about it for Halo 1.

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If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patch...	UnrealCh13f	3/9/11 3:52 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	BlueNinja	3/9/11 4:17 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	ZackDark	3/9/11 4:29 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	FyreWulff	3/9/11 4:36 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	Beckx	3/9/11 9:14 a.m.
No we don't need a patch but we do need better...	ElzarTheBam	3/9/11 5:21 a.m.
Re: No we don't need a patch but we do need better	BlueNinja	3/9/11 6:48 a.m.
Yep they still have evade	ElzarTheBam	3/9/11 6:51 a.m.
Re: No we don't need a patch but we do need better	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 8:46 a.m.
Re: No we don't need a patch but we do need better	TCKaos	3/9/11 8:15 a.m.
Absolutely	padraig08	3/9/11 1:14 p.m.
Why is everyone so peeved about bloom?	Leisandir	3/9/11 8:18 a.m.
Re: Why is everyone so peeved about bloom?	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 8:48 a.m.
Re: Why is everyone so peeved about bloom?	Leisandir	3/9/11 9:58 a.m.
Re: Why is everyone so peeved about bloom?	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 10:18 a.m.
Re: Why is everyone so peeved about bloom?	bluerunner	3/9/11 10:45 a.m.
WTF? Are we still arguing about this?	Gilver	3/9/11 10:57 a.m.
Re: WTF? Are we still arguing about this?	Beckx	3/9/11 11:02 a.m.
Re: WTF? Are we still arguing about this?	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 12:56 p.m.
Re: WTF? Are we still arguing about this?	General Vagueness	3/9/11 2:38 p.m.
Re: WTF? Are we still arguing about this?	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 3:26 p.m.
Re: Why is everyone so peeved about bloom?	Bry	3/9/11 12:09 p.m.
Re: Why is everyone so peeved about bloom?	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 1:09 p.m.
Re: Why is everyone so peeved about bloom?	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 1:30 p.m.
Re: Why is everyone so peeved about bloom?	FyreWulff	3/9/11 3:13 p.m.
On the bug	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 4:56 p.m.
Re: On the bug	jo	3/9/11 5:21 p.m.
Re: On the bug	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 5:51 p.m.
Re: On the bug	Leisandir	3/9/11 5:23 p.m.
Re: On the bug	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 5:46 p.m.
Re: On the bug	JonnyOThan	3/9/11 6:44 p.m.
Re: On the bug	General Vagueness	3/10/11 12:08 a.m.
Re: Why is everyone so peeved about bloom?	Gravemind	3/9/11 12:21 p.m.
Re: Why is everyone so peeved about bloom?	DEEP NNN	3/9/11 8:50 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	RC Master	3/9/11 8:41 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	DEEP NNN	3/9/11 9:05 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	FyreWulff	3/9/11 3:15 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	DEEP NNN	3/9/11 3:41 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	FyreWulff	3/9/11 3:54 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	Beckx	3/9/11 9:11 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 9:28 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	Beckx	3/9/11 9:31 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 9:35 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	FyreWulff	3/9/11 3:21 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 3:35 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	RC Master	3/10/11 11:40 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	FyreWulff	3/10/11 4:08 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	Leviathan	3/9/11 10:23 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	DMFanella	3/9/11 10:25 a.m.
Don't EVEN go there, girlfriend!	Bones153	3/9/11 11:00 a.m.
Re: Don't EVEN go there, girlfriend!	NsU Soldier	3/9/11 12:04 p.m.
Re: Don't EVEN go there, girlfriend!	NsU Soldier	3/9/11 12:07 p.m.
Re: Don't EVEN go there, girlfriend!	bluerunner	3/9/11 1:09 p.m.
Re: Don't EVEN go there, girlfriend!	NsU Soldier	3/9/11 1:39 p.m.
Re: Don't EVEN go there, girlfriend!	DMFanella	3/9/11 1:10 p.m.
Map Screenshots	ZaneZavin1	3/9/11 10:34 a.m.
Way too many things to fit into one TU *NM*	Decommissioner	3/9/11 10:52 a.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	Cody Miller	3/9/11 11:07 a.m.
Hm. Where to begin?	Gravemind	3/9/11 12:10 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	Gravemind	3/9/11 12:16 p.m.
D'oh!	Gravemind	3/9/11 12:23 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	Cody Miller	3/9/11 1:17 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 1:22 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	The BS Police	3/9/11 1:53 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	RC Master	3/9/11 3:27 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	The Loot	3/9/11 5:37 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	Louis Wu	3/9/11 7:22 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	The Loot	3/9/11 9:36 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	macgyver10	3/9/11 3:15 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 3:37 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	Gravemind	3/9/11 3:56 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	Louis Wu	3/9/11 4:15 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	Leisandir	3/9/11 5:28 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	General Vagueness	3/9/11 5:59 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	ArteenEsben	3/9/11 5:53 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	3/9/11 5:58 p.m.
pretty much my perception, too *NM*	Louis Wu	3/9/11 7:14 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	ArteenEsben	3/10/11 8:26 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	The Loot	3/9/11 6:26 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	3/9/11 9:04 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	Gravemind	3/10/11 12:02 a.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	General Vagueness	3/10/11 12:47 a.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	The Loot	3/10/11 3:56 a.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	General Vagueness	3/10/11 8:47 a.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	The Loot	3/10/11 3:00 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	Gravemind	3/10/11 4:51 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	The Loot	3/10/11 5:31 p.m.
Re: Hm. Where to begin?	General Vagueness	3/10/11 10:10 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	Azo 'Galvat	3/9/11 12:26 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	hunt3r	3/9/11 12:27 p.m.
I'm just glad none of you are in charge. *NM*	InnerRayg	3/9/11 12:48 p.m.
Fix FF's problem with not registering vehicle kill	SonGoharotto	3/9/11 12:57 p.m.
Two Score Attack lobbies...	rhubarb	3/9/11 1:26 p.m.
Re: Two Score Attack lobbies...	Beckx	3/9/11 1:42 p.m.
^^THIS^^ *NM*	Mazz	3/9/11 1:51 p.m.
Re: ^^THIS^^	Beckx	3/9/11 2:28 p.m.
Re: Two Score Attack lobbies...	ManKitten	3/9/11 2:08 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	The Loot	3/9/11 2:35 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	Azo 'Galvat	3/9/11 3:36 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	UnrealCh13f	3/9/11 4:46 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	The Loot	3/9/11 5:12 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	UnrealCh13f	3/9/11 8:01 p.m.
Re: If you were in charge of creating a Reach Patc	General Vagueness	3/11/11 11:25 a.m.