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Re: When life gives you canon, make cannonade
Posted By: Stephen L. (SoundEffect) <soundeffect@hotmail.com>Date: 10/30/09 6:40 a.m.

In Response To: When life gives you canon, make cannonade (Narcogen)


: In an ideal world, yes.

: The problem is that over time, what seems to be a monolithic concept,
: "creators" turns into a many-headed hydra.

: People leave a company. Others join. Who is the "creator"? The
: company? Or the people?

: Companies are bought and sold. Who is the "creator"? The legal
: entity and its ownership at the time of creation? Subsequent owners?

: Whether right or wrong, ultimately the audience itself inevitably becomes the
: arbiter of what is canon and what isn't, and who is considered a
: "creator" and who isn't. Not because this is necessarily
: desirable or logical, but simply because the audience is the group that is
: least susceptible to change over time because of its sheer size. Fans lose
: interest and drop away and new fans join the ranks every day, but the
: shape and character of the audience changes much more slowly than creators
: or owners.

: Sometimes even when the creators don't change, a large audience over time can
: begin to reject some of the additions and changes made to a canon-- look
: at the latter three Star Wars films compared to the initial three.
: Portions of the audience reject those latter three films because, despite
: having the same nominal creator, George Lucas, they are so different in
: tone, content and character, that some are led to reject it.

: Perhaps this is going to sound unnecessarily harsh, but I'd say at this
: moment, with Bungie a different group than it was when Halo was announced,
: having now entered into and emerged from the embrace of Microsoft, and
: having handed over the keys to the franchise to them in exchange for
: independence, it seems inescapable to me to conclude that while Bungie
: certainly still are the creators, the potential conflicts of interest that
: exist between the franchise's creators (Bungie) and its owners (Microsoft)
: as well as its stewards (343 Industries) seem to leave the audience as the
: only remaining unbiased arbiter of what is and what is not canon. Even
: when these three elements were one, during Microsoft's ownership of Bungie
: Studios, materials were created by third parties, in conjunction with the
: creators and with the approval of the owners, the canonicity of which was
: never completely defined and even today is the subject of argument (I Love
: Bees). This was a relatively minor conflict, as ILB was made with, but not
: by, Bungie Studios, and was not a primary source, but rather additional
: materials intended for promotion.

: However, so far we have seen new primary sources created by developers
: separate from the creators but also owned by the franchise owners
: (Ensemble's Halo Wars). With the closure of Ensemble and the divestiture
: in Bungie, it seems likely that if there are to be Halo games published by
: Microsoft after Reach, they will be developed by still other parties,
: perhaps this time third party developers, making them still further
: removed from the creators, regardless of what kind of supervision by 343
: and/or cooperation with Bungie might be possible.

: I don't suppose I disagree with you on any particular point, except perhaps
: to add that anon is decided, created and morphed in partnership with the
: creators and the audience. It seems possible to imagine that at some
: point, a fact might be entered into canon that is decided, created and
: morphed into being by the current incarnations (at that time) of Bungie
: LLC, Microsoft and 343 Industries, but that would not be accepted by the
: audience at large. Should that be the case, in what sense could it be
: called canon?

Well written, Narc. I agree with almost all of this.

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Why Halo Wars being bad is a wonderful thingrolandk73 10/28/09 4:27 p.m.
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                       Re: Why Halo Wars being bad is a wonderful thingBry 10/28/09 5:07 p.m.
                             Re: Why Halo Wars being bad is a wonderful thingbluerunner 10/28/09 6:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Why Halo Wars being bad is a wonderful thingGeneral Vagueness 10/28/09 7:00 p.m.
                                         Re: Why Halo Wars being bad is a wonderful thingStephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/28/09 8:29 p.m.
                                               Re: Why Halo Wars being bad is a wonderful thingSilent Knight 10/29/09 6:43 a.m.
                                         Me too!!! *NM*mendicantbias00 11/3/09 1:23 p.m.
           Re: Why Halo Wars being bad is a wonderful thingFyreWulff 10/28/09 9:39 p.m.
     Re: Why Halo Wars being bad is a wonderful thingYNation913 10/28/09 4:46 p.m.
           Re: Why Halo Wars being bad is a wonderful thingrolandk73 10/28/09 4:50 p.m.
                 Re: Why Halo Wars being bad is a wonderful thingYNation913 10/28/09 4:54 p.m.
     Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonLord Osiris 10/28/09 7:56 p.m.
           Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonCody Miller 10/28/09 9:11 p.m.
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                 Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonThorsHammer 10/29/09 9:12 a.m.
                 Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonGeneral Vagueness 10/29/09 10:36 a.m.
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                             Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonCody Miller 10/29/09 11:35 a.m.
                             Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonGeneral Vagueness 10/29/09 12:30 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonThorsHammer 10/30/09 9:03 a.m.
                                         Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonGeneral Vagueness 10/30/09 9:32 a.m.
                                               Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonThorsHammer 11/1/09 4:08 p.m.
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                                   Thank you!Miguel Chavez 11/2/09 12:49 p.m.
                       Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonCody Miller 11/2/09 1:00 p.m.
                             Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonGeneral Vagueness 11/2/09 1:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonEiii 11/2/09 4:52 p.m.
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                                   Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/2/09 2:46 p.m.
                 Re: Halo Wars=NOT a Bad Game, COMPLETELY CanonAndrew Nagy 11/1/09 4:17 p.m.
           Lol you're funnyAvateur 10/28/09 10:12 p.m.
                 Re: Lol you're funnyLord Osiris 10/28/09 11:48 p.m.
                       Re: Lol you're funnyAvateur 10/29/09 2:22 a.m.
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                                         Re: Lol you're funnyLord Osiris 10/29/09 5:25 a.m.
                                   Re: Lol you're funnyBry 10/29/09 4:33 a.m.
                                         Re: Lol you're funnyAvateur 10/29/09 5:25 a.m.
                                               Re: Lol you're funnyBry 10/29/09 8:30 a.m.
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                                   Re: Lol you're funnyBernard Strauss 10/29/09 11:57 a.m.
                 Re: Lol you're funnyFrankie 10/29/09 3:36 p.m.
                       Re: Lol you're funnyGeneral Vagueness 10/29/09 4:01 p.m.
                             Re: Lol you're funnyPhoenix_9286 10/29/09 5:51 p.m.
                       Re: Lol you're funnyYNation913 10/29/09 6:04 p.m.
                       Re: Lol you're funnyAvateur 10/29/09 9:17 p.m.
                       When life gives you canon, make cannonadeNarcogen 10/29/09 10:55 p.m.
                             Re: When life gives you canon, make cannonadeStephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/30/09 6:40 a.m.
                                   BUT MAKE SURE THE CANNONADE IS SWEET. PLZ.AngelicLionheart 11/3/09 6:20 p.m.
     Re: Why Halo Wars being bad is a wonderful thingreprobate 10/29/09 1:10 a.m.
     But Halo Wars Isn't Bad... *NM*Morpheus 10/29/09 12:28 p.m.
     Halo Wars is not a Halo Game. Move along people *NM*MasterChief2829 11/1/09 1:33 a.m.
           Of course it is. *NM*Ragashingo 11/1/09 1:02 a.m.
                 Really? This Again?Lord Osiris 11/1/09 1:40 a.m.
                 rabble rabble rabbleZaneZavin 11/1/09 1:42 a.m.
           Troll *NM*Metalingus627 11/1/09 3:25 a.m.
           QQ moar. *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/1/09 9:22 a.m.



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