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Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures Required
Posted By: DS <davidsteingarten@hotmail.com>Date: 2/3/07 12:01 p.m.

In Response To: Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures Required (Anton P. Nym (aka Steve))


: Yes, because your quitting imposes a penalty on the players who remain. I
: don't pay for XBox Live to end up one-on-three in a team match and have to
: choose between sticking around in a lopsided game or going back to the
: lobby and waiting for another.

But I may impose a penalty by remaining because the lag is so bad (this actually happened to me once, where a friend and I were playing Team Slayer on the same xbox, and after about five minutes when it was clear the lag wasn't going to improve, we quit. Our teammates came back and won the game). I've also had games where a teammate who was having a particularly bad game quit, and the rest of the team continued to play well, and we won. The game was close enough that there's a significant chance we would have lost had that player stayed. You simply cannot argue that you are always imposing a penalty on your teammates by quitting. It simply isn't true 100% of the time.

: I've quietly advocated a "quitter hold" in MatchMaking of two to
: five minutes before allowing a rematch since Dec '04 if you quit from a
: match; if you have to leave the game for real-life reasons 2-5 minutes
: isn't much of an inconvenience, but if you're just screwing around with
: others it might just tip the balance between staying in the game and
: quitting like a jerk.

I still don't think this is a good idea. You just can't account for every possible scenario under which we might all agree a player was "right" to quit (I happen to believe "This isn't fun" is a perfectly good reason, but that's beside the point). I don't think people sit down, turn on the xbox, and think "You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna enter some games and quit!" I'll say it again: the focus should be on giving people more of what they want. The quitting will disappear for the most part if this can be achieved.

: (Of course, I had imagined this more as a remedy for "but I only wanna
: play Snipers on Lockout" quitters... I suppose if the network kicked
: you for unacceptable lag the hold shouldn't apply, though I wonder if
: this'd just lead to more quit-by-standby.)

To which a great remedy, suggested by many others many times, would be to let people advertise custom games.

The whole "let's penalize the quitters school" reminds me of the "let's get more police because we have more crime" school. A better solution is probably more like: give people something they want so they have something to lose. That way, people find a way to police themselves.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/15/project-grizzly



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They should just eliminate BTB.Funkmon 2/2/07 7:13 a.m.
     Re: They should just eliminate BTB.Louis Wu 2/2/07 7:37 a.m.
           Re: They should just eliminate BTB.Leviathan 2/2/07 10:24 a.m.
                 Re: They should just eliminate BTB.Dojorkan 2/2/07 3:55 p.m.
     Re: They should just eliminate BTB.Xmoosev3 2/2/07 8:07 a.m.
           Re: They should just eliminate BTB.JeBr0nie 2/2/07 9:18 a.m.
                 I enjoy BTB a lot... Most of the time.Wraith7n 2/2/07 9:57 a.m.
                 Re: They should just eliminate BTB.Dojorkan 2/2/07 3:57 p.m.
     Re: They should not eliminate BTB.Max Power (pooberry) 2/2/07 11:58 a.m.
     Re: They should just eliminate BTB.XerxdeeJ 2/2/07 3:41 p.m.
           In the words of Patrick Swayze, "Ditto" *NM*3Suns 2/2/07 5:26 p.m.
           I'm not complaining.Funkmon 2/2/07 9:09 p.m.
                 On Quitting - Extreme Measures Required3Suns 2/2/07 9:56 p.m.
                       Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredKaboris 2/2/07 10:39 p.m.
                             Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredDS 2/3/07 10:59 a.m.
                       Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredDS 2/3/07 10:58 a.m.
                             Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 2/3/07 11:34 a.m.
                                   Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredCody Miller 2/3/07 11:38 a.m.
                                         Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredMax Power (pooberry) 2/3/07 12:32 p.m.
                                         Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredCount Zero 2/3/07 12:37 p.m.
                                         Re: On Quitting -again with the EGMCoffin Joe 2/3/07 3:50 p.m.
                                   Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredDS 2/3/07 12:01 p.m.
                                         Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredLouis Wu 2/3/07 1:01 p.m.
                                               Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredDS 2/3/07 1:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredCount Zero 2/3/07 2:15 p.m.
                                                           Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredMa1agate 2/3/07 3:42 p.m.
                                                                 Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredSep7imus [subnova] 2/4/07 10:05 a.m.
                                   Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 2/3/07 1:42 p.m.
                       Re: On Quitting - Extreme Measures RequiredCaptain Spark 2/3/07 11:43 a.m.
                       Some Clarification3Suns 2/4/07 1:07 a.m.
                             Re: Some ClarificationDS 2/4/07 9:24 a.m.
                                   Re: Some ClarificationLouis Wu 2/4/07 9:36 a.m.
                                         Re: Some ClarificationDS 2/4/07 10:11 a.m.



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