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Re: Ok, but that doesn't explain these confusing p
Posted By: Skeg <skeg_ownz@yahoo.co.uk>Date: 11/18/04 2:37 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Ok, but that doesn't explain these confusing p (B-Sharp)

Ok, B-Sharp, a lot of what you say fits in perfectly with everything that has happened so far. However, there is a fatal flaw in your thinking that the 'Ark' is Earth itself.

If the planet itself was the 'Ark', then the Humans/Forerunner that survived the activation of the Halo's would have at least recorded the events. They would still have had the technology and Human civilization wouldn't have time warped back to the stone age. I think it makes more sense that the 'Ark' isn't Earth itself, but is infact ON Earth. Using your theory (and it IS very good) and the other theories around here that the 'Ark' is DNA storage, you can explain everything. Humans were 're-born' with no recollection of their past.

: I apologize ahead of time if some of my following thoughts are not organized
: in an easy to follow manner, as I'm kind of rushed at the moment and don't
: have a lot of time to do so.

: They're attacking Earth because Earth is the Ark, and according to their
: religion, the Ark will see them safely through (a great journey?) the
: Flood (see Noah's Ark in the Bible). The Ark (Earth) is likely at a
: position in the galaxy that will be unaffected by the activation of the
: Halo installations, or it is protected in some way not yet revealed.

: He went to Earth because Earth is the Ark. He was looking to start the
: "Great Journey" early, and went to Earth to do it, knowing that
: on the Ark (Earth) he would be safe. He went with a small fleet because he
: did not expect anyone to be there and was surprised to find humans
: (Forerunners [I'll get back to this, but yes, I think Humans =
: Forerunners]) already occupied the Ark.

: Knowing now, because of Regrets *ahem* regretful actions, that Humans are on
: the Ark, they assemble the fleet to attack Earth in order to remove us and
: take posession of the Ark so they can survive the activation of the Halo
: installations, and thus the Flood.

: Because he knows Tartarus is going to activate the Halo installations, and
: the Ark (Earth) is the only safe place in the Galaxy.

: Because the original poster is a genius, and was making a reference to the
: large venus fly-trap like plant in the Little Shop of Horrors named Audrey
: II. The Gravemind basically looks like Audrey II's big brother.

: Anyway, my theory is that Humans are the Forerunners. Thousands of years ago
: (perhaps millions?) Humans (the Forerunners) explored the galaxy just as
: we're doing in the present time (in the Halo universe) and somewhere along
: the way we encountered the Flood. We built the Halo installations to study
: and contain the Flood... fearing that we wouldn't be successful we built
: them with the ability to activate and destroy all sentient life in the
: galaxy in order to stop the spread of the Flood. However, knowing that
: this would mean our own extinction, we created a safehaven, an Ark (Earth)
: where we could go should the Halo installations ever need to be activated.

: Well, we weren't successful, and we activated the Halo installations (as 343
: GS states was done on one occassion)... All of us die. Except those of us
: stationed on the Ark (Earth). The Flood is stopped. We rejoice.

: Supporting quotes from the story would be mostly from 343 GS... in the
: Library he says he's happy to see that some of us survived to reproduce.
: It was unclear whether he was talking about the Flood or the Forerunners
: or what, I believe he was speaking of the Forerunners (Humans).

: He recognizes humans (MC, Miranda, Mobuto(?)) as what he calls a Reclaimer.
: Reclaiming what? Reclaiming our (Forerunners) previous places in the
: galaxy, perhaps.

: It's obvious humans are needed to activate the Halo installations, Tartarus
: didn't drag Miranda along with him for nothing... remember, he had to
: force her to use the index. Why? Probably because the Forerunners designed
: the installations so they could only be activated by someone with human
: DNA, just in case some crazy alien nuts decided to use them as a weapon.

: 343 GS, while in the Pillar of Autumn, says something like "I can't
: believe you would destroy this record, all of our lost time..." lost
: time? whose lost time? ours? Humans/Forerunners? Why "lost
: time"? Perhaps because Forerunners = Humans, it's a record of the
: last several thousand (million?) years that the Forerunners missed out on.

: Also in the books, MC seems to 'recognize' some of the controls on Halo,
: things feel familiar, almost second nature to him. Just seems to further
: strengthen the connection between humans and Forerunner.

: Anyway, bottom line, the Forerunner were the highly advanced ancestors of the
: present day humans who were forced (due to the Flood) to activate the
: Halos and wipe themselves out in order to protect the Ark (the single
: safehaven they had) from succumbing to the Flood. Somewhere along the way,
: after the activation of the Halo installations, the Prophets found some
: ancient Forerunner installation (not a Halo) with information about the
: Halo installations the Flood and the Ark. They built a religious following
: around this information and created the Covenant. Then they encountered
: the Flood. The Flood threatened to wipe out the Covenant, and so they made
: it top priority to find any and all remaining Forerunner installations to
: get as much information as they could, and especially to locate the Halo
: installations and the Ark, so they could use them to stop the Flood and
: survive just as the Forerunners did in the past.

: So why didn't the Covenant know where our home world was, and that our home
: world, Earth, was the very Ark they were searching for? Probably because
: the Forerunners instituted a system similar to the Cole Protocol that the
: humans use now, in order to prevent the location of the Ark from being
: revealed to the Flood. All information about the whereabouts of the Ark
: were erased. Only the Forerunners already living there would have that
: information.

Ok, B-Sharp, a lot of what you say fits in perfectly with everything that has happened so far. However, their is a fatal flaw in yor thinking that the 'Ark' is Earth itself.

If the planet itself was the 'Ark', then the Humans that survived the activation of the Halo's would have at least recorded the events. They would still have had the technology and Human civilization wouldn't have time warped back to the stone age. I think it makes more sense that the 'Ark' isn't Earth itself, but is infact ON Earth. Using your theory (and it IS very good) and the other theories around here that the 'Ark' is DNA storage, you can explain everything. Humans were 're-born' with no recollection of their past.


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           Re: Explanation in simple language - spoiler heavymnemesis 11/15/04 3:21 p.m.
                 Phase two of HBO takeover - completeJillybean 11/16/04 7:26 a.m.
                 Re: Explanation in simple language - spoiler heavyReitz 11/17/04 4:46 a.m.
           Still don't get it! ;-) *NM*Phish 11/17/04 4:58 a.m.
                 Re: Still don't get it! ;-)SteveOll 11/17/04 5:10 a.m.
                       So who exactly let the flood loose?JT 11/25/04 3:47 a.m.
                 The Point Being...?Skeg 11/17/04 6:06 a.m.
                       Re: The Point Being...?lappop 11/17/04 6:50 a.m.
                             Re: The Point Being...?Steltek 11/17/04 7:22 a.m.
                       Re: The Point Being...?B-Sharp 11/17/04 4:36 p.m.
                       Re: The Point Being...?fludblud 11/25/04 7:45 a.m.
           Small addition for Front pageJillybean 11/17/04 5:13 a.m.
                 Re: Small addition for Front pageHuricos 11/17/04 5:43 a.m.
                       Thoughtsgspawn 11/17/04 9:24 a.m.
           Re: whats a gravemind/audrey??Nicework 11/17/04 5:58 a.m.
                 Re: whats a gravemind/audrey??Huricos 11/17/04 6:24 a.m.
                       Re: whats a gravemind/audrey??guiltysparkzz 11/17/04 7:12 a.m.
           Re: Explanation in simple language - spoiler heavyRoss Mills [subnova] 11/17/04 7:28 a.m.
           Re: Explanation in simple language - spoiler heavyMa1agate 11/17/04 8:47 a.m.
                 Re: Explanation in simple language - spoiler heavyRassilon 11/17/04 9:08 a.m.
                 What am I, a Bungie employee?Jillybean 11/17/04 10:45 a.m.
                 Re: On the Hunters...Ain Soph Aur 11/17/04 1:45 p.m.
           Re: Explanation in simple language - spoiler heavypaladin2007 11/17/04 10:40 a.m.
           on halos and heresy *SP*drummand 11/17/04 1:15 p.m.
                 Re: on halos and heresy *SP*Sep7imus [subnova] 11/17/04 1:25 p.m.
                       Re: on halos and heresy *SP*Jillybean 11/17/04 2:56 p.m.
           i'm still confused... *SP*axman 11/17/04 4:08 p.m.
                 Re: i'm still confused... *SP*Count Zero 11/17/04 4:18 p.m.
                       Re: i'm still confused... *SP*Darkstar 11/17/04 4:22 p.m.
                       Re: i'm still confused... *SP*Mr Yun 11/17/04 4:28 p.m.
                             Re: i'm still confused... *SP*FriendlyFire 11/18/04 10:23 a.m.
                                   Re: i'm still confused... *SP*Count Zero 11/18/04 10:41 a.m.
                                         Re: i'm still confused... *SP*FriendlyFire 11/18/04 3:01 p.m.
                                               Prevalence of FloodCapo Rip 12/3/04 12:39 a.m.
                                                     Re: Prevalence of FloodSephlock 12/3/04 1:49 a.m.
                 Re: i'm still confused... *SP*Crimson Joker 11/24/04 1:22 p.m.
                       Re: i'm still confused... *SP*Crimson Joker 11/24/04 1:25 p.m.
           Who is Audrey?? *NM*tLove 11/17/04 8:14 p.m.
                 Re: Who is Audrey??Rockhard 11/17/04 8:21 p.m.
                       Re: Who is Audrey??Rockhard 11/17/04 8:26 p.m.
           Re: Explanation in simple language - spoiler heavyNarcogen 12/14/04 10:40 p.m.
     Ok, but that doesn't explain these confusing partsKey Lime 11/17/04 10:46 a.m.
           Feed me! (Or answers to said questions)Jillybean 11/17/04 10:51 a.m.
                 Re: Feed me! (Or answers to said questions)Key Lime 11/17/04 10:57 a.m.
                       Re: Feed me! (Or answers to said questions)Count Zero 11/17/04 11:36 a.m.
                 Re: Feed me! (Or answers to said questions)FINWeasel 11/17/04 11:10 a.m.
                       Re: Feed me! (Or answers to said questions)Jillybean 11/17/04 11:16 a.m.
           This might tie up some loose ends.rEisen Sniper 11/17/04 11:35 a.m.
                 Re: Another loose end?drummand 11/17/04 12:34 p.m.
                       Re: Another loose end?Knight Premier 11/17/04 5:47 p.m.
                             Re: Another loose end?Xephon 12/4/04 3:20 p.m.
                 Re: This might tie up some loose ends.monctezuma 11/17/04 5:22 p.m.
                       Re: This might tie up some loose ends.rEisen Sniper 11/19/04 12:38 a.m.
                 Re: This might tie up some loose ends.floodkiller 12/10/04 2:39 p.m.
           Re: Ok, but that doesn't explain these confusing pB-Sharp 11/17/04 6:27 p.m.
                 Re: Ok, but that doesn't explain these confusing pRama~Swarm, Kaosu Duce 11/17/04 8:28 p.m.
                 Re: Ok, but that doesn't explain these confusing pSkeg 11/18/04 2:37 p.m.
                       Re: Ok, but that doesn't explain these confusing pRechlieu 11/18/04 5:38 p.m.
                       Re: Ok, but that doesn't explain these confusing pB-Sharp 11/18/04 6:41 p.m.
                             Re: Ok, but that doesn't explain these confusing pJack the Rabbit 11/21/04 12:17 a.m.
                                   Re: Ok, but that doesn't explain these confusing pfA||en 11/21/04 12:24 a.m.
                                   Re: Ok, but that doesn't explain these confusing pPoppy 11/21/04 1:05 a.m.
     This took a long time to write so read it pleaseRed Jinn 11/17/04 8:30 p.m.
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                 Re: Humans = Reclaimers, why? I think...fludblud 11/25/04 5:41 a.m.
                       Re: Humans = Reclaimers, why? I think...Kage-maru 11/25/04 5:46 a.m.
                             Re: Humans = Reclaimers, why? I think...floodkiller 11/25/04 2:53 p.m.
                                   Re: Humans = Reclaimers, why? I think...Kage-maru 11/26/04 3:52 a.m.
                 Re: Humans = Reclaimers, why? I think...Arbitar 11/26/04 12:14 p.m.
                 Re: Humans = Reclaimers, why?Bill Hardigg 12/10/04 2:53 p.m.
                       Re: Humans = Reclaimers, why? *sp*Ma1agate 12/10/04 3:26 p.m.
                       Re: Humans = Reclaimers, why?bob47895 12/13/04 6:35 p.m.
                             Why doesnt this forum die? *NM*InsomniacGhost 12/13/04 6:40 p.m.
                                   THAT was uncalled for... *NM*Chester the Destroyer 12/13/04 8:40 p.m.
     Re: Who turned on whom? LOTS of *SP*Bickers117 11/17/04 11:23 p.m.
           Re: Who turned on whom? LOTS of *SP*ForgottenOne 11/18/04 12:40 a.m.
     Re: Who turned on whom? LOTS of *SP*17 11/25/04 4:46 p.m.
     Re: Who turned on whom? LOTS of *SP*Tim Jones 11/26/04 11:18 a.m.
           Re: Who turned on whom? LOTS of *SP*EvilAuthor 11/26/04 12:28 p.m.



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