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Re: More whining than suggesting.
Posted By: dalecooper <dale_cooper@hotmail.com>Date: 3/31/05 3:44 p.m.

In Response To: Re: More whining than suggesting. (Echoes)

: Heh, I like your list of 'strong' guns.

: The AR was useless in MP. The PR was almost as bad (not too bad in CTF or
: oddball, to slow the guy down). The PP, near useless. Only the Sniper
: Rifle, Shotgun and Rocket Launcher would ever had an advantge over the
: pistol at any given time. You ALWAYS carried a pistol as your main gun,
: then one of those three depending on your situation.

I disagree somewhat. I think it was map-dependent and situation-dependent. The AR was decent on maps like Chill Out, Damnation, and Longest; if you were able to get up close to an opponent and do the ol' circle-of-death, you could usually overwhelm even a good pistoler. The plasma rifle was the same but a lot better because of its freeze effect. People who specialized in the plasma rifle or plasma pistol could really mess you up with those weapons - at least on the right maps. Obviously they were basically useless on Blood Gulch and Hang 'em High. But on many others they were good options. Getting the drop on Shotgun Guy or Rocket Launcher Guy with a plasma rifle was a near-orgasmic experience.

: Plasma greandes are great, I don't think anybody is compaining about them
: (they're only good is you stick them, but that just a skill, rewarding
: good players). I don't think anybody hates them, i ithnk it's just the
: frag that's underappreciated.

That's true. Plasmas are easier to use than they were in Halo 1. They're pretty effective except against opponents that really do a lot of back and forth strafing. As an area-effect weapon, they were never that useful anyway.

I see what you mean about frags, but I still say overall, a guy with a weak weapon (SMG or plasma rifle) and grenades will ALWAYS be beaten in a standard 1 vs. 1 firefight by a guy dual wielding. That's a great loss to the game, I think. Dual wielding has effectively phased out single wielding as a meaningful tactic. Only power weapons can be used against the dual wielders - well, that and the battle rifle and carbine, if you're lucky enough to have them at mid to long range. But if they're up close to you, forget about it.


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           Wish in one hand... *NM*Urk 3/31/05 12:23 p.m.
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                 Re: Interestingzink 3/31/05 12:55 p.m.
           More whining than suggesting.gspawn 3/31/05 1:18 p.m.
                 Re: More whining than suggesting.dalecooper 3/31/05 2:08 p.m.
                 Re: More whining than suggesting.howekern 3/31/05 2:34 p.m.
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                             Re: More whining than suggesting.Hikaru-119 3/31/05 3:02 p.m.
                                   Funny, it only took on frag last weekend. *NM*howekern 3/31/05 3:19 p.m.
                                         Never had that happen. *NM*Echoes 3/31/05 3:23 p.m.
                                         Which game are you referring to?Hikaru-119 3/31/05 3:24 p.m.
                                               The first one - and so have we all. ;) *NM*howekern 3/31/05 3:39 p.m.
                                                     Re: The first one - and so have we all. ;)Hikaru-119 3/31/05 3:57 p.m.
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                                               Because it's OBVIOUSLY all you! *NM*howekern 3/31/05 3:41 p.m.
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