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Re: A few deep breaths *SP*

Posted By: ThorsHammer <Nate4D@comcast.net> Date: 12/1/04 11:15 p.m.
In Response To: Re: A few deep breaths *SP* (Ducain)

: Speaking purely of the Halo 2 campaign, I think I've nailed a
: couple of those 'gut-feeling/fun' aspects down on my second runthrough on
: legendary. I'll share em, just for the fun of it. Both of these things may
: seem trivial, but remember, we're talking about the little things that
: separate Halo from the rest.
: 1. Believe it or not, the plasma pistol. *laughing* Seriously, this is just
: one thing that causes me frustration every time I play the darn game. I
: already can imagine what some of you will say, but this is just my
: perception here, not a sermon. ;)
: (Bleh, I'm realizing right now that I'm not up to putting much effort into
: this right now, but anyhow...)
: To me, the plasma pistol was the one weapon that you could use on Legendary
: in Halo 1 to charge through the game with animal-like agression, melting
: the poor covies down to the ground. I would hardly ever put it down. I can
: still see the look on a few of the kids faces when I cranked up legendary
: at a lan party and charged a gold elite with a plasma pistol. Hehe.
: I guess I just miss my old friend...
: 2. Melee. (sigh) I really think this has had an effect on the 'fun' value of
: the game more than anything else yet that I've focused on. To me, the
: melee was the one thing that separated Halo gameplay from the Unreals of
: the world. I mean, it just made you feel like a hulking super-soldier.
: Nothing better than hearing an elite bellow his battle cry a second before
: you land a punch in his chest -hearing his loud "Ooooffff"-,
: knocking him backwards, only to receive a couple of more hits before he
: collapses to the ground. I love it! My brother and I would move through
: legendary meleeing everything in sight.
: Now, playing through on legendary in Halo 2, I feel like an anemic ODST that
: has to be super quick on the draw instead of a massive killing machine
: that brings death on it's heels. I've played about 1/2 way through now on
: legendary, and I've hardly used the melee at all. It feels 'wussified' and
: useless.
: All of that probably means less than nothing to many of you, but these two
: things are a couple of the little details that helped define the
: 'fun-ness' of Halo 1 for me.
: Blah. I've nailed down some of the 'trick stuff' as well, but I'm tired.
: Signing off for the night. Cheers.
As I said in this rather lengthy post, I think that it's the lack of polish, the little details that weren't quite in the right place, that left Halo 2 a notch below Halo 1. The melee and the plasma pistol are ones that didn't make my list, but you're definitely right, they had a big impact on how the game "felt", intuitively.
I've gotta say that nailing Flood with the plasma sword feels absolutely canonical, especially when you smack down a big group on Legendary; the kind of thing that would've been in Halo 1 if they'd had more time with it.
There's quite a few little sections that hit the original Halo's level of immersion, depth, and just plain fun factor for me, but right there you have what's missing - they were moments, separated by moments when the game didn't feel that way. All the little quirks (like the plasma pistol, wussy melees, occasional bad voice acting) just helped pull you out of it.
-Nate

The twisted brain of a comp. sci. major...

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A few deep breaths *SP* ragereset 11/30/04 1:19 a.m.

True, true *NM* *NM* 7h3_h0ck3y_w1z 11/30/04 2:10 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report R.G. 11/30/04 5:44 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage ^^^ *SP* above! ^^^ *NM* R.G. 11/30/04 5:50 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report ragereset 12/1/04 6:13 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report Mr Sniggles 12/1/04 5:39 p.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report Blitzwolf 12/1/04 8:19 p.m.

*chink* *NM* rolando 12/1/04 12:04 p.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report Viscily II 12/1/04 3:41 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Kermit 11/30/04 6:48 a.m.

I Only Have a Couple Sentences to Say About This.. Mintz08 11/30/04 7:31 a.m.

Ditto, both. :) *NM* Blitzwolf 12/1/04 8:03 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Ross Mills [subnova] 11/30/04 8:43 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Louis Wu 11/30/04 10:57 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* ragereset 11/30/04 12:59 p.m.

Agreed. MikeMan445 11/30/04 6:19 p.m.

Re: Agreed. box 12/1/04 11:58 a.m.

BULLSEYE! Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:41 p.m.

Re: BULLSEYE! Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:44 p.m.

Re: BULLSEYE! Qonas 12/1/04 10:41 p.m.

Couldn't have said it better myself *NM* *NM* box 12/2/04 10:21 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Wado SG 11/30/04 4:38 p.m.

Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to digest *NM* Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:47 p.m.

Re: Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to dig Qonas 12/2/04 4:41 p.m.

Hmm... *SP* Saint [lpn] 11/30/04 8:05 p.m.

EVERYTHING and BETTER SuddenDark.com 12/1/04 11:45 a.m.

Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER El Bastard 12/1/04 11:50 a.m.

Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER SuddenDark.com 12/1/04 1:08 p.m.

Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER mercury 12/1/04 4:34 p.m.

YES, YES, YES! Blitzwolf 12/1/04 10:08 p.m.

Re: Why I think that happened *pseudo-review* *SP* ThorsHammer 11/30/04 10:41 p.m.

Re: Why I think that happened *pseudo-review* *SP* Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 9:47 a.m.

Only on Xbox ragereset 12/1/04 1:03 p.m.

What I felt was missing: ChiperSoft 12/1/04 12:46 p.m.

Extension on that... axman 12/1/04 1:07 p.m.

Bingo. *NM* Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:52 p.m.

Re: Extension on that... box 12/1/04 8:04 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* FriendlyFire 12/1/04 8:35 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Capain Spark 12/1/04 10:50 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Capo Rip 12/1/04 6:44 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* TD MasterChief 12/1/04 11:09 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* El Bastard 12/1/04 11:18 a.m.

the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...? Zaknafein 12/1/04 2:05 p.m.

Re: the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...? Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 2:59 p.m.

My sentiments exactly. Well said. =D *NM* Zaknafein 12/1/04 3:42 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Stuart 12/1/04 2:25 p.m.

Remember where in the game you enjoyed it the most MthdDirector 12/1/04 2:26 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Viscily II 12/1/04 4:15 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* 'Nosolee 12/1/04 5:33 p.m.

I think, I've figured out what's missing. *SP* Blitzwolf 12/1/04 8:43 p.m.

Re: I think, I've figured out what's missing. *SP* igniter 12/1/04 11:17 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Ducain 12/1/04 10:13 p.m.

Re: Analog plasma pistol ragereset 12/1/04 11:09 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* ThorsHammer 12/1/04 11:15 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* True! Ducain 12/2/04 3:51 p.m.

I just can't help but point out.... Konrad 12/2/04 8:27 p.m.

Burn. *NM* Zero Flaw (E Nomini Patri) 12/2/04 8:35 p.m.

bad second quote gspawn 12/2/04 8:39 p.m.

Re: Of Repetition *SP* Sep7imus [subnova] 11/30/04 5:06 p.m.

my two cents. *sp* B-Sharp 11/30/04 6:34 p.m.

Two more cents ragereset 11/30/04 11:14 p.m.

Re: Two more cents to your two more cents paladin2007 12/1/04 11:24 a.m.

Re: Two more cents chaosknight514 12/1/04 4:36 p.m.

Something else to think about... B-Sharp 12/1/04 4:59 p.m.

My Opinion jac170sd 12/1/04 4:48 p.m.

Re: My Opinion B-Sharp 12/1/04 5:46 p.m.

I have a few legitimate critiques Noir 12/1/04 10:25 a.m.

Another $0.02 Smitty 12/1/04 2:41 p.m.

keep taking those deep breaths MasterGrunt_Yayap-117 12/1/04 10:50 a.m.

Re: keep taking those deep breaths bungiefan 12/1/04 11:35 a.m.

Deep breaths - vitriol free. Dazza 12/1/04 11:30 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 11:41 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Dazza 12/1/04 11:46 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 11:49 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Dazza 12/1/04 11:51 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Capain Spark 12/1/04 11:55 a.m.

What do/did we want from Halo 2.. and forH3 *long* 3Suns 12/2/04 9:15 p.m.

Noteable "community" figures WRATHofGOD 12/1/04 1:10 p.m.

Hrm... El Bastard 12/1/04 1:54 p.m.

Re: Hrm... GhaleonEB 12/1/04 2:44 p.m.

Re: Hrm... WRATHofGOD 12/1/04 3:49 p.m.

Re: Noteable "community" figs & rampant fanboism R.G. 12/1/04 4:30 p.m.

Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :) Louis Wu 12/1/04 7:27 p.m.

Re: Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :) WRATHofGOD 12/2/04 7:57 a.m.

Re: Noteable "community" figures Capo Rip 12/2/04 1:39 a.m.

A great but imperfect game FoolsRun 12/1/04 2:53 p.m.

Said perfectly! Minor gripes from me below! *NM* Jamirus99 12/1/04 3:28 p.m.

Re: A great but imperfect game bungiefan 12/1/04 3:30 p.m.

The sum of its parts are greater than the whole FoolsRun 12/1/04 5:34 p.m.

Great post! True, this will make Halo 3 better. *NM* Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 4:08 p.m.

Re: A great but imperfect game Inky 12/1/04 9:57 p.m.

Excellent Review. thanks for posting it. *NM* R.G. 12/2/04 12:51 a.m.

A Final Note to Bungie Vadcol 12/2/04 12:53 a.m.

My thoughts on Halo 2 (To boot) *SP* Jamirus99 12/1/04 3:23 p.m.

Better the second time around KilgoreTrout XL 12/1/04 3:25 p.m.

Absolutely Brilliant. I Totally Agree... *NM* Bluestone 12/1/04 3:42 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Capo Rip 12/1/04 4:07 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Arc 12/1/04 5:10 p.m.

So true... Capo Rip 12/1/04 6:18 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Seraph 12/1/04 5:09 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* MthdDirector 12/1/04 7:10 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Hieros 12/1/04 5:58 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* comicbookguy 12/1/04 6:19 p.m.

in regard to MP *img* retsamolah 12/1/04 6:49 p.m.

Not All the Way, Spray and Pray: Jamirus99 12/1/04 7:43 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Knight Premier 12/1/04 6:53 p.m.

it's smarter than me spaartan117 12/1/04 7:43 p.m.

Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Bey Bey Bey 12/1/04 7:48 p.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 8:16 p.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters R.G. 12/1/04 11:13 p.m.

OK, I'm done, gotta call it a nite Miguel Chavez 12/2/04 1:16 a.m.

Ditto,... Ross Mills [subnova] 12/2/04 8:12 a.m.

Auteur! Auteur! Magnifique! *NM* Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 12/2/04 7:53 a.m.

Re: Bravo! *NM* Sep7imus [subnova] 12/2/04 9:01 a.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Qonas 12/2/04 4:43 p.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Mothergoat 12/3/04 8:47 a.m.

what everyone should do is... fludblud 12/2/04 7:08 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Dundre 12/1/04 8:44 p.m.

All I want for christmas Trevor Austin 12/1/04 9:47 p.m.

I think that we're out of focus here. *THASF* A.K.A. The Halo and Sonic Fan 12/1/04 10:17 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Traize 12/2/04 7:49 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Chaka 12/2/04 7:03 p.m.

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A few deep breaths SP	ragereset	11/30/04 1:19 a.m.
True, true NM NM	7h3_h0ck3y_w1z	11/30/04 2:10 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	R.G.	11/30/04 5:44 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage ^^^ SP above! ^^^ NM	R.G.	11/30/04 5:50 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	ragereset	12/1/04 6:13 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	Mr Sniggles	12/1/04 5:39 p.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 8:19 p.m.
chink NM	rolando	12/1/04 12:04 p.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	Viscily II	12/1/04 3:41 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Kermit	11/30/04 6:48 a.m.
I Only Have a Couple Sentences to Say About This..	Mintz08	11/30/04 7:31 a.m.
Ditto, both. :) NM	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 8:03 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Ross Mills [subnova]	11/30/04 8:43 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Louis Wu	11/30/04 10:57 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	ragereset	11/30/04 12:59 p.m.
Agreed.	MikeMan445	11/30/04 6:19 p.m.
Re: Agreed.	box	12/1/04 11:58 a.m.
BULLSEYE!	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:41 p.m.
Re: BULLSEYE!	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:44 p.m.
Re: BULLSEYE!	Qonas	12/1/04 10:41 p.m.
Couldn't have said it better myself NM NM	box	12/2/04 10:21 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Wado SG	11/30/04 4:38 p.m.
Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to digest NM	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:47 p.m.
Re: Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to dig	Qonas	12/2/04 4:41 p.m.
Hmm... SP	Saint [lpn]	11/30/04 8:05 p.m.
EVERYTHING and BETTER	SuddenDark.com	12/1/04 11:45 a.m.
Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER	El Bastard	12/1/04 11:50 a.m.
Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER	SuddenDark.com	12/1/04 1:08 p.m.
Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER	mercury	12/1/04 4:34 p.m.
YES, YES, YES!	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 10:08 p.m.
Re: Why I think that happened pseudo-review SP	ThorsHammer	11/30/04 10:41 p.m.
Re: Why I think that happened pseudo-review SP	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 9:47 a.m.
Only on Xbox	ragereset	12/1/04 1:03 p.m.
What I felt was missing:	ChiperSoft	12/1/04 12:46 p.m.
Extension on that...	axman	12/1/04 1:07 p.m.
Bingo. NM	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:52 p.m.
Re: Extension on that...	box	12/1/04 8:04 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	FriendlyFire	12/1/04 8:35 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Capain Spark	12/1/04 10:50 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Capo Rip	12/1/04 6:44 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	TD MasterChief	12/1/04 11:09 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	El Bastard	12/1/04 11:18 a.m.
the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...?	Zaknafein	12/1/04 2:05 p.m.
Re: the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...?	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 2:59 p.m.
My sentiments exactly. Well said. =D NM	Zaknafein	12/1/04 3:42 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Stuart	12/1/04 2:25 p.m.
Remember where in the game you enjoyed it the most	MthdDirector	12/1/04 2:26 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Viscily II	12/1/04 4:15 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	'Nosolee	12/1/04 5:33 p.m.
I think, I've figured out what's missing. SP	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 8:43 p.m.
Re: I think, I've figured out what's missing. SP	igniter	12/1/04 11:17 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Ducain	12/1/04 10:13 p.m.
Re: Analog plasma pistol	ragereset	12/1/04 11:09 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	ThorsHammer	12/1/04 11:15 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP True!	Ducain	12/2/04 3:51 p.m.
I just can't help but point out....	Konrad	12/2/04 8:27 p.m.
Burn. NM	Zero Flaw (E Nomini Patri)	12/2/04 8:35 p.m.
bad second quote	gspawn	12/2/04 8:39 p.m.
Re: Of Repetition SP	Sep7imus [subnova]	11/30/04 5:06 p.m.
my two cents. sp	B-Sharp	11/30/04 6:34 p.m.
Two more cents	ragereset	11/30/04 11:14 p.m.
Re: Two more cents to your two more cents	paladin2007	12/1/04 11:24 a.m.
Re: Two more cents	chaosknight514	12/1/04 4:36 p.m.
Something else to think about...	B-Sharp	12/1/04 4:59 p.m.
My Opinion	jac170sd	12/1/04 4:48 p.m.
Re: My Opinion	B-Sharp	12/1/04 5:46 p.m.
I have a few legitimate critiques	Noir	12/1/04 10:25 a.m.
Another $0.02	Smitty	12/1/04 2:41 p.m.
keep taking those deep breaths	MasterGrunt_Yayap-117	12/1/04 10:50 a.m.
Re: keep taking those deep breaths	bungiefan	12/1/04 11:35 a.m.
Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Dazza	12/1/04 11:30 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 11:41 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Dazza	12/1/04 11:46 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 11:49 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Dazza	12/1/04 11:51 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Capain Spark	12/1/04 11:55 a.m.
What do/did we want from Halo 2.. and forH3 long	3Suns	12/2/04 9:15 p.m.
Noteable "community" figures	WRATHofGOD	12/1/04 1:10 p.m.
Hrm...	El Bastard	12/1/04 1:54 p.m.
Re: Hrm...	GhaleonEB	12/1/04 2:44 p.m.
Re: Hrm...	WRATHofGOD	12/1/04 3:49 p.m.
Re: Noteable "community" figs & rampant fanboism	R.G.	12/1/04 4:30 p.m.
Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :)	Louis Wu	12/1/04 7:27 p.m.
Re: Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :)	WRATHofGOD	12/2/04 7:57 a.m.
Re: Noteable "community" figures	Capo Rip	12/2/04 1:39 a.m.
A great but imperfect game	FoolsRun	12/1/04 2:53 p.m.
Said perfectly! Minor gripes from me below! NM	Jamirus99	12/1/04 3:28 p.m.
Re: A great but imperfect game	bungiefan	12/1/04 3:30 p.m.
The sum of its parts are greater than the whole	FoolsRun	12/1/04 5:34 p.m.
Great post! True, this will make Halo 3 better. NM	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 4:08 p.m.
Re: A great but imperfect game	Inky	12/1/04 9:57 p.m.
Excellent Review. thanks for posting it. NM	R.G.	12/2/04 12:51 a.m.
A Final Note to Bungie	Vadcol	12/2/04 12:53 a.m.
My thoughts on Halo 2 (To boot) SP	Jamirus99	12/1/04 3:23 p.m.
Better the second time around	KilgoreTrout XL	12/1/04 3:25 p.m.
Absolutely Brilliant. I Totally Agree... NM	Bluestone	12/1/04 3:42 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Capo Rip	12/1/04 4:07 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Arc	12/1/04 5:10 p.m.
So true...	Capo Rip	12/1/04 6:18 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Seraph	12/1/04 5:09 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	MthdDirector	12/1/04 7:10 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Hieros	12/1/04 5:58 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	comicbookguy	12/1/04 6:19 p.m.
in regard to MP img	retsamolah	12/1/04 6:49 p.m.
Not All the Way, Spray and Pray:	Jamirus99	12/1/04 7:43 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Knight Premier	12/1/04 6:53 p.m.
it's smarter than me	spaartan117	12/1/04 7:43 p.m.
Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Bey Bey Bey	12/1/04 7:48 p.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 8:16 p.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	R.G.	12/1/04 11:13 p.m.
OK, I'm done, gotta call it a nite	Miguel Chavez	12/2/04 1:16 a.m.
Ditto,...	Ross Mills [subnova]	12/2/04 8:12 a.m.
Auteur! Auteur! Magnifique! NM	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	12/2/04 7:53 a.m.
Re: Bravo! NM	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/2/04 9:01 a.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Qonas	12/2/04 4:43 p.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Mothergoat	12/3/04 8:47 a.m.
what everyone should do is...	fludblud	12/2/04 7:08 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Dundre	12/1/04 8:44 p.m.
All I want for christmas	Trevor Austin	12/1/04 9:47 p.m.
I think that we're out of focus here.	THASF A.K.A. The Halo and Sonic Fan	12/1/04 10:17 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Traize	12/2/04 7:49 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Chaka	12/2/04 7:03 p.m.