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Re: BULLSEYE!
Posted By: Qonas <qonas1@excite.com>Date: 12/1/04 10:41 p.m.

In Response To: Re: BULLSEYE! (Siva Wr'k)

The reason why the Halo 2 campaign feels different at a gut level is not because of the Arbiter, is not because the plot got even bigger, it is simply because there was no foreboding sense of universal danger.

Think about it.

"But Qonas, the delta Halo could've been fired! The Gravemind is one evil dude controlling the nigh-unstoppable Flood!"

Yes, this is true. But what made the Halo campaign so much fun and immersive, that we forgot it was a video game while playing, was the fact that we (as Master Chief) were fighting for humanity's survival. We were one man, with a scattered band of Marines, against the overwhelming Covenant. There was a very real sense of danger, a sense that in the plot, should we fail Earth could be kissed goodbye. Humanity would be no more. We were fighting a one-man war for our people, and that struck some unconscious, gut-level desire. We got sucked in with that, and as the rich plot unfolded around that we became even more a part of the Halo universe.

Now while the story for Halo 2 is bloody awesome and a great continuation of Halo, we don't have that same "one-man war" danger feeling anymore. We're on the offensive. Sure, we were salivating for it but c'mon, fighting with more than a .01% chance of winning isn't that much fun. While I in no way question or dislike the fact the Covenant "invasion" of Earth was one battle group jumping the gun, the fact that Earth and mankind was not in imminent, deathly danger caused the campaign to no longer "feel like Halo, but like any other video game".


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A few deep breaths *SP*ragereset 11/30/04 1:19 a.m.
     True, true *NM* *NM*7h3_h0ck3y_w1z 11/30/04 2:10 a.m.
     Re: more post-game carnage reportR.G. 11/30/04 5:44 a.m.
           Re: more post-game carnage ^^^ *SP* above! ^^^ *NM*R.G. 11/30/04 5:50 a.m.
           Re: more post-game carnage reportragereset 12/1/04 6:13 a.m.
                 Re: more post-game carnage reportMr Sniggles 12/1/04 5:39 p.m.
                       Re: more post-game carnage reportBlitzwolf 12/1/04 8:19 p.m.
           *chink* *NM*rolando 12/1/04 12:04 p.m.
           Re: more post-game carnage reportViscily II 12/1/04 3:41 p.m.
     Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Kermit 11/30/04 6:48 a.m.
     I Only Have a Couple Sentences to Say About This..Mintz08 11/30/04 7:31 a.m.
           Ditto, both. :) *NM*Blitzwolf 12/1/04 8:03 p.m.
     Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Ross Mills [subnova] 11/30/04 8:43 a.m.
     Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Louis Wu 11/30/04 10:57 a.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*ragereset 11/30/04 12:59 p.m.
                 Agreed.MikeMan445 11/30/04 6:19 p.m.
                       Re: Agreed.box 12/1/04 11:58 a.m.
                             BULLSEYE!Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:41 p.m.
                                   Re: BULLSEYE!Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:44 p.m.
                                         Re: BULLSEYE!Qonas 12/1/04 10:41 p.m.
                                               Couldn't have said it better myself *NM* *NM*box 12/2/04 10:21 a.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Wado SG 11/30/04 4:38 p.m.
                 Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to digest *NM*Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:47 p.m.
                       Re: Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to digQonas 12/2/04 4:41 p.m.
           Hmm... *SP*Saint [lpn] 11/30/04 8:05 p.m.
                 EVERYTHING and BETTERSuddenDark.com 12/1/04 11:45 a.m.
                       Re: EVERYTHING and BETTEREl Bastard 12/1/04 11:50 a.m.
                             Re: EVERYTHING and BETTERSuddenDark.com 12/1/04 1:08 p.m.
                                   Re: EVERYTHING and BETTERmercury 12/1/04 4:34 p.m.
                       YES, YES, YES!Blitzwolf 12/1/04 10:08 p.m.
           Re: Why I think that happened *pseudo-review* *SP*ThorsHammer 11/30/04 10:41 p.m.
                 Re: Why I think that happened *pseudo-review* *SP*Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 9:47 a.m.
                       Only on Xboxragereset 12/1/04 1:03 p.m.
                 What I felt was missing:ChiperSoft 12/1/04 12:46 p.m.
                 Extension on that...axman 12/1/04 1:07 p.m.
                       Bingo. *NM*Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:52 p.m.
                       Re: Extension on that...box 12/1/04 8:04 p.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*FriendlyFire 12/1/04 8:35 a.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Capain Spark 12/1/04 10:50 a.m.
                 Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Capo Rip 12/1/04 6:44 p.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*TD MasterChief 12/1/04 11:09 a.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*El Bastard 12/1/04 11:18 a.m.
           the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...?Zaknafein 12/1/04 2:05 p.m.
                 Re: the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...?Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 2:59 p.m.
                       My sentiments exactly. Well said. =D *NM*Zaknafein 12/1/04 3:42 p.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Stuart 12/1/04 2:25 p.m.
           Remember where in the game you enjoyed it the mostMthdDirector 12/1/04 2:26 p.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Viscily II 12/1/04 4:15 p.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*'Nosolee 12/1/04 5:33 p.m.
           I think, I've figured out what's missing. *SP*Blitzwolf 12/1/04 8:43 p.m.
                 Re: I think, I've figured out what's missing. *SP*igniter 12/1/04 11:17 p.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Ducain 12/1/04 10:13 p.m.
                 Re: Analog plasma pistolragereset 12/1/04 11:09 p.m.
                 Re: A few deep breaths *SP*ThorsHammer 12/1/04 11:15 p.m.
                       Re: A few deep breaths *SP* True!Ducain 12/2/04 3:51 p.m.
           I just can't help but point out....Konrad 12/2/04 8:27 p.m.
                 Burn. *NM*Zero Flaw (E Nomini Patri) 12/2/04 8:35 p.m.
                 bad second quotegspawn 12/2/04 8:39 p.m.
     Re: Of Repetition *SP*Sep7imus [subnova] 11/30/04 5:06 p.m.
     my two cents. *sp*B-Sharp 11/30/04 6:34 p.m.
           Two more centsragereset 11/30/04 11:14 p.m.
                 Re: Two more cents to your two more centspaladin2007 12/1/04 11:24 a.m.
                 Re: Two more centschaosknight514 12/1/04 4:36 p.m.
                 Something else to think about...B-Sharp 12/1/04 4:59 p.m.
           My Opinionjac170sd 12/1/04 4:48 p.m.
                 Re: My OpinionB-Sharp 12/1/04 5:46 p.m.
     I have a few legitimate critiquesNoir 12/1/04 10:25 a.m.
           Another $0.02Smitty 12/1/04 2:41 p.m.
     keep taking those deep breathsMasterGrunt_Yayap-117 12/1/04 10:50 a.m.
           Re: keep taking those deep breathsbungiefan 12/1/04 11:35 a.m.
     Deep breaths - vitriol free.Dazza 12/1/04 11:30 a.m.
           Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 11:41 a.m.
                 Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.Dazza 12/1/04 11:46 a.m.
                       Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 11:49 a.m.
                             Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.Dazza 12/1/04 11:51 a.m.
                 Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.Capain Spark 12/1/04 11:55 a.m.
           What do/did we want from Halo 2.. and forH3 *long*3Suns 12/2/04 9:15 p.m.
     Noteable "community" figuresWRATHofGOD 12/1/04 1:10 p.m.
           Hrm...El Bastard 12/1/04 1:54 p.m.
                 Re: Hrm...GhaleonEB 12/1/04 2:44 p.m.
                       Re: Hrm...WRATHofGOD 12/1/04 3:49 p.m.
           Re: Noteable "community" figs & rampant fanboismR.G. 12/1/04 4:30 p.m.
           Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :)Louis Wu 12/1/04 7:27 p.m.
                 Re: Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :)WRATHofGOD 12/2/04 7:57 a.m.
           Re: Noteable "community" figuresCapo Rip 12/2/04 1:39 a.m.
     A great but imperfect gameFoolsRun 12/1/04 2:53 p.m.
           Said perfectly! Minor gripes from me below! *NM*Jamirus99 12/1/04 3:28 p.m.
           Re: A great but imperfect gamebungiefan 12/1/04 3:30 p.m.
                 The sum of its parts are greater than the wholeFoolsRun 12/1/04 5:34 p.m.
           Great post! True, this will make Halo 3 better. *NM*Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 4:08 p.m.
           Re: A great but imperfect gameInky 12/1/04 9:57 p.m.
           Excellent Review. thanks for posting it. *NM*R.G. 12/2/04 12:51 a.m.
           A Final Note to BungieVadcol 12/2/04 12:53 a.m.
     My thoughts on Halo 2 (To boot) *SP*Jamirus99 12/1/04 3:23 p.m.
     Better the second time aroundKilgoreTrout XL 12/1/04 3:25 p.m.
     Absolutely Brilliant. I Totally Agree... *NM*Bluestone 12/1/04 3:42 p.m.
     Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Capo Rip 12/1/04 4:07 p.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Arc 12/1/04 5:10 p.m.
                 So true...Capo Rip 12/1/04 6:18 p.m.
     Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Seraph 12/1/04 5:09 p.m.
           Re: A few deep breaths *SP*MthdDirector 12/1/04 7:10 p.m.
     Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Hieros 12/1/04 5:58 p.m.
     Re: A few deep breaths *SP*comicbookguy 12/1/04 6:19 p.m.
     in regard to MP *img*retsamolah 12/1/04 6:49 p.m.
           Not All the Way, Spray and Pray:Jamirus99 12/1/04 7:43 p.m.
     Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Knight Premier 12/1/04 6:53 p.m.
           it's smarter than mespaartan117 12/1/04 7:43 p.m.
     Randy Glass and Halo 2 hatersBey Bey Bey 12/1/04 7:48 p.m.
           Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 hatersSep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 8:16 p.m.
           Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 hatersR.G. 12/1/04 11:13 p.m.
                 OK, I'm done, gotta call it a niteMiguel Chavez 12/2/04 1:16 a.m.
                       Ditto,...Ross Mills [subnova] 12/2/04 8:12 a.m.
                 Auteur! Auteur! Magnifique! *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 12/2/04 7:53 a.m.
                 Re: Bravo! *NM*Sep7imus [subnova] 12/2/04 9:01 a.m.
                 Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 hatersQonas 12/2/04 4:43 p.m.
                       Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 hatersMothergoat 12/3/04 8:47 a.m.
           what everyone should do is...fludblud 12/2/04 7:08 a.m.
     Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Dundre 12/1/04 8:44 p.m.
     All I want for christmasTrevor Austin 12/1/04 9:47 p.m.
     I think that we're out of focus here.*THASF* A.K.A. The Halo and Sonic Fan 12/1/04 10:17 p.m.
     Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Traize 12/2/04 7:49 a.m.
     Re: A few deep breaths *SP*Chaka 12/2/04 7:03 p.m.



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