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Re: A few deep breaths *SP*

Posted By: El Bastard Date: 12/1/04 11:18 a.m.
In Response To: Re: A few deep breaths *SP* (Louis Wu)

: But on some gut level... the Halo 2 campaign isn't as much fun as the Halo
: campaign was. I haven't figured out why not yet - but it'll be worked out
: by the time I (we) post a full HBO review.
I think I honestly have an answer to this one. I haven't taken the time to compose a long explanation, so I'll be shooting from the hip.
Halo 2 "disappoints" for several reasons. The key one is: it is not a brand new experience.
However we wax poetic about the original Halo, think what we got with that. 3 or 4 levels of repeated geometry (we were originally promised an entire ring of battles that would be played out through epic battles), a few of the A to B to A levels (Silent Cartographer, AoTCC), and a few levels where the encounters were so spread out, Bungie considered implementing a sprint feature (Halo, AoTCC) in Halo 2.
What do we get in Halo 2?
Levels with defined purpose, shorter distance between encounters, the ability to use "off limits" vehicles from the original, the ability to fly Banshees in more levels than in the original, etc.
So yes, while things have improved gameplay-wise, MS was hyping the second coming of Christ with required underwear changes. Hell, even JJ's "ninjas on fire" comment (although accurately describing the engine changes) isn't lived up to on the entire experience.
So back to my flat statement that it's not a new experience. Close your eyes for a minute and pretend that Halo 2 was the initial release (story holes aside). Ignore the overhype department at MS marketing and play through the game with those eyes.
You're left wanting more, aren't you? Well, yes.
You've felt this way before though.
After the original Halo, sure, there may have been "closure" but once I saw 343GS humming along, I knew there were TONS of unanswered questions. You're feeling this now too, aren't you.
Bungie abhors release dates, but part of working for the man is adherence to what the man wants. Did MS force Bungie to ship? I doubt it very much. However, I can imagine there was a meeting where a date was requested, delivered after consideration, and then the MS marketing folks said "let's go with what they said and hype earth since those last levels really bring it in nicely".
However, by the time Bungie decided they couldn't complete those epic levels to complete the story, it was too late - MS Marketing had shot their wad and said that Earth would never be the same.
Let's say that Halo 2's marketing is to Halo 2, as Halo's MacWorld presence is to Xbox Halo. Neither game truly lives up to the expectations set.
So let's once again get back to Halo 2. Did I as a person love the single player experience?
Yes.
and no.
Like many who have followed bungie games for a long time, I expected we'd be looking at 20ish levels. Not because of anything other than this: Myth, Myth II, Marathon, Marathon 2, Marathon Infinity: all had such numbers for their single player experience.
So, that was my presumption, and yes - I'll admit I was quite wrong.
Why was this? Bungie committed to a release date and once again got burned.
Sure, they shipped "on time" but they didn't ship the game they set out to make, nor the game they WANTED to make with the ending they wanted to make.
Ever notice how awkward Keyes looks running for the index? Does that look like the handywork of the same animators who did the rest of the work? Or does it look rushed, half-assed and out-of-place.
It should look out-of-place. Just like that boss battle.
That isn't our ending. It's not the ending that was envisioned, nor the ending that was planned. It's the ending we got though. Why? Because some guy got a tattoo proclaiming November 9th was the ship date, and nobody at MS understands why Bungie has such a disaffinity for dates.
Deadlines restrict the creative process.
Sure, you can still perform under them, but it's more difficult and you never ship something that you yourself feel is "done" enough.
Bungie had their backs against the wall before... Halo: Combat Evolved was the result.
A game with even less levels than Halo 2. A game that got developed in almost less time than Myth III* (Bungie didn't do Myth III), yet still delivered.
So where does that leave us?
Bungie learned one thing very well with Myth and they obviously haven't forgotten it.
After weeks go by, and the months pass, people largely forget about the single player experience. What remains is multi-player.
If I'm remembering right, Bungie (when applicable) has always done Multiplayer first, and then done their story. This is so that the focus is on that which endures. The original Halo (if you ignore Oni) was their first exception. However, due to their experience in gaming, Halo mutliplayer was enjoyable because it was "simple" gaming. Banshee's weren't included because there was no time to balance them for multi, no time to create levels for them, no time to make their magic.
Halo 2 shows that Bungie stayed true to their process. Halo 2 multiplayer rocks. Sure, the interface could probably have been done in a manner that was a little more cohesive, but the core and complexity of Halo 2 MP is fantastic.
So... Halo 2 MP - Solid - very few people would say otherwise.
Halo 2 SP - Good, but lacking the same something Halo SP lacked - epic canvas and completion.
Only, Halo 2 SP is missing less of the former and more of the latter.
I hope the following for Halo 3: Bungie tells MS to step the f*ck off of their creative process. It was successful for any core-bungie-started game, as well as the one that was handled under close supervision.
JJ (and once Alex) have their following because of what they brought to Mac (and later PC/Xbox) gaming - delirious fun!
MS marketing did little to sell all those Xboxen and/or all those copies of Halo 2. It wasn't little effin MC/Elite/Brute Slurpee cups - it was all about the buzz and it was all about Halo/(2).
Bungie is viewed like id or Blizzard: guaranteed sales/hits.
Only, Bungie gives us a story.
MS forgot about that and forced a game to ship that wasn't what was intended... again.
*apologies in advance for any lack-of-cohesion. I'm typing this instead of eating my lunch, and as I said, I didn't have time to completely outline my thoughts.

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A few deep breaths *SP* ragereset 11/30/04 1:19 a.m.

True, true *NM* *NM* 7h3_h0ck3y_w1z 11/30/04 2:10 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report R.G. 11/30/04 5:44 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage ^^^ *SP* above! ^^^ *NM* R.G. 11/30/04 5:50 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report ragereset 12/1/04 6:13 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report Mr Sniggles 12/1/04 5:39 p.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report Blitzwolf 12/1/04 8:19 p.m.

*chink* *NM* rolando 12/1/04 12:04 p.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report Viscily II 12/1/04 3:41 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Kermit 11/30/04 6:48 a.m.

I Only Have a Couple Sentences to Say About This.. Mintz08 11/30/04 7:31 a.m.

Ditto, both. :) *NM* Blitzwolf 12/1/04 8:03 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Ross Mills [subnova] 11/30/04 8:43 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Louis Wu 11/30/04 10:57 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* ragereset 11/30/04 12:59 p.m.

Agreed. MikeMan445 11/30/04 6:19 p.m.

Re: Agreed. box 12/1/04 11:58 a.m.

BULLSEYE! Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:41 p.m.

Re: BULLSEYE! Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:44 p.m.

Re: BULLSEYE! Qonas 12/1/04 10:41 p.m.

Couldn't have said it better myself *NM* *NM* box 12/2/04 10:21 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Wado SG 11/30/04 4:38 p.m.

Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to digest *NM* Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:47 p.m.

Re: Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to dig Qonas 12/2/04 4:41 p.m.

Hmm... *SP* Saint [lpn] 11/30/04 8:05 p.m.

EVERYTHING and BETTER SuddenDark.com 12/1/04 11:45 a.m.

Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER El Bastard 12/1/04 11:50 a.m.

Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER SuddenDark.com 12/1/04 1:08 p.m.

Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER mercury 12/1/04 4:34 p.m.

YES, YES, YES! Blitzwolf 12/1/04 10:08 p.m.

Re: Why I think that happened *pseudo-review* *SP* ThorsHammer 11/30/04 10:41 p.m.

Re: Why I think that happened *pseudo-review* *SP* Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 9:47 a.m.

Only on Xbox ragereset 12/1/04 1:03 p.m.

What I felt was missing: ChiperSoft 12/1/04 12:46 p.m.

Extension on that... axman 12/1/04 1:07 p.m.

Bingo. *NM* Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:52 p.m.

Re: Extension on that... box 12/1/04 8:04 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* FriendlyFire 12/1/04 8:35 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Capain Spark 12/1/04 10:50 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Capo Rip 12/1/04 6:44 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* TD MasterChief 12/1/04 11:09 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* El Bastard 12/1/04 11:18 a.m.

the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...? Zaknafein 12/1/04 2:05 p.m.

Re: the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...? Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 2:59 p.m.

My sentiments exactly. Well said. =D *NM* Zaknafein 12/1/04 3:42 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Stuart 12/1/04 2:25 p.m.

Remember where in the game you enjoyed it the most MthdDirector 12/1/04 2:26 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Viscily II 12/1/04 4:15 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* 'Nosolee 12/1/04 5:33 p.m.

I think, I've figured out what's missing. *SP* Blitzwolf 12/1/04 8:43 p.m.

Re: I think, I've figured out what's missing. *SP* igniter 12/1/04 11:17 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Ducain 12/1/04 10:13 p.m.

Re: Analog plasma pistol ragereset 12/1/04 11:09 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* ThorsHammer 12/1/04 11:15 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* True! Ducain 12/2/04 3:51 p.m.

I just can't help but point out.... Konrad 12/2/04 8:27 p.m.

Burn. *NM* Zero Flaw (E Nomini Patri) 12/2/04 8:35 p.m.

bad second quote gspawn 12/2/04 8:39 p.m.

Re: Of Repetition *SP* Sep7imus [subnova] 11/30/04 5:06 p.m.

my two cents. *sp* B-Sharp 11/30/04 6:34 p.m.

Two more cents ragereset 11/30/04 11:14 p.m.

Re: Two more cents to your two more cents paladin2007 12/1/04 11:24 a.m.

Re: Two more cents chaosknight514 12/1/04 4:36 p.m.

Something else to think about... B-Sharp 12/1/04 4:59 p.m.

My Opinion jac170sd 12/1/04 4:48 p.m.

Re: My Opinion B-Sharp 12/1/04 5:46 p.m.

I have a few legitimate critiques Noir 12/1/04 10:25 a.m.

Another $0.02 Smitty 12/1/04 2:41 p.m.

keep taking those deep breaths MasterGrunt_Yayap-117 12/1/04 10:50 a.m.

Re: keep taking those deep breaths bungiefan 12/1/04 11:35 a.m.

Deep breaths - vitriol free. Dazza 12/1/04 11:30 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 11:41 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Dazza 12/1/04 11:46 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 11:49 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Dazza 12/1/04 11:51 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Capain Spark 12/1/04 11:55 a.m.

What do/did we want from Halo 2.. and forH3 *long* 3Suns 12/2/04 9:15 p.m.

Noteable "community" figures WRATHofGOD 12/1/04 1:10 p.m.

Hrm... El Bastard 12/1/04 1:54 p.m.

Re: Hrm... GhaleonEB 12/1/04 2:44 p.m.

Re: Hrm... WRATHofGOD 12/1/04 3:49 p.m.

Re: Noteable "community" figs & rampant fanboism R.G. 12/1/04 4:30 p.m.

Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :) Louis Wu 12/1/04 7:27 p.m.

Re: Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :) WRATHofGOD 12/2/04 7:57 a.m.

Re: Noteable "community" figures Capo Rip 12/2/04 1:39 a.m.

A great but imperfect game FoolsRun 12/1/04 2:53 p.m.

Said perfectly! Minor gripes from me below! *NM* Jamirus99 12/1/04 3:28 p.m.

Re: A great but imperfect game bungiefan 12/1/04 3:30 p.m.

The sum of its parts are greater than the whole FoolsRun 12/1/04 5:34 p.m.

Great post! True, this will make Halo 3 better. *NM* Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 4:08 p.m.

Re: A great but imperfect game Inky 12/1/04 9:57 p.m.

Excellent Review. thanks for posting it. *NM* R.G. 12/2/04 12:51 a.m.

A Final Note to Bungie Vadcol 12/2/04 12:53 a.m.

My thoughts on Halo 2 (To boot) *SP* Jamirus99 12/1/04 3:23 p.m.

Better the second time around KilgoreTrout XL 12/1/04 3:25 p.m.

Absolutely Brilliant. I Totally Agree... *NM* Bluestone 12/1/04 3:42 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Capo Rip 12/1/04 4:07 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Arc 12/1/04 5:10 p.m.

So true... Capo Rip 12/1/04 6:18 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Seraph 12/1/04 5:09 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* MthdDirector 12/1/04 7:10 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Hieros 12/1/04 5:58 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* comicbookguy 12/1/04 6:19 p.m.

in regard to MP *img* retsamolah 12/1/04 6:49 p.m.

Not All the Way, Spray and Pray: Jamirus99 12/1/04 7:43 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Knight Premier 12/1/04 6:53 p.m.

it's smarter than me spaartan117 12/1/04 7:43 p.m.

Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Bey Bey Bey 12/1/04 7:48 p.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 8:16 p.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters R.G. 12/1/04 11:13 p.m.

OK, I'm done, gotta call it a nite Miguel Chavez 12/2/04 1:16 a.m.

Ditto,... Ross Mills [subnova] 12/2/04 8:12 a.m.

Auteur! Auteur! Magnifique! *NM* Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 12/2/04 7:53 a.m.

Re: Bravo! *NM* Sep7imus [subnova] 12/2/04 9:01 a.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Qonas 12/2/04 4:43 p.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Mothergoat 12/3/04 8:47 a.m.

what everyone should do is... fludblud 12/2/04 7:08 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Dundre 12/1/04 8:44 p.m.

All I want for christmas Trevor Austin 12/1/04 9:47 p.m.

I think that we're out of focus here. *THASF* A.K.A. The Halo and Sonic Fan 12/1/04 10:17 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Traize 12/2/04 7:49 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Chaka 12/2/04 7:03 p.m.

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A few deep breaths SP	ragereset	11/30/04 1:19 a.m.
True, true NM NM	7h3_h0ck3y_w1z	11/30/04 2:10 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	R.G.	11/30/04 5:44 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage ^^^ SP above! ^^^ NM	R.G.	11/30/04 5:50 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	ragereset	12/1/04 6:13 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	Mr Sniggles	12/1/04 5:39 p.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 8:19 p.m.
chink NM	rolando	12/1/04 12:04 p.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	Viscily II	12/1/04 3:41 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Kermit	11/30/04 6:48 a.m.
I Only Have a Couple Sentences to Say About This..	Mintz08	11/30/04 7:31 a.m.
Ditto, both. :) NM	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 8:03 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Ross Mills [subnova]	11/30/04 8:43 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Louis Wu	11/30/04 10:57 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	ragereset	11/30/04 12:59 p.m.
Agreed.	MikeMan445	11/30/04 6:19 p.m.
Re: Agreed.	box	12/1/04 11:58 a.m.
BULLSEYE!	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:41 p.m.
Re: BULLSEYE!	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:44 p.m.
Re: BULLSEYE!	Qonas	12/1/04 10:41 p.m.
Couldn't have said it better myself NM NM	box	12/2/04 10:21 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Wado SG	11/30/04 4:38 p.m.
Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to digest NM	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:47 p.m.
Re: Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to dig	Qonas	12/2/04 4:41 p.m.
Hmm... SP	Saint [lpn]	11/30/04 8:05 p.m.
EVERYTHING and BETTER	SuddenDark.com	12/1/04 11:45 a.m.
Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER	El Bastard	12/1/04 11:50 a.m.
Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER	SuddenDark.com	12/1/04 1:08 p.m.
Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER	mercury	12/1/04 4:34 p.m.
YES, YES, YES!	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 10:08 p.m.
Re: Why I think that happened pseudo-review SP	ThorsHammer	11/30/04 10:41 p.m.
Re: Why I think that happened pseudo-review SP	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 9:47 a.m.
Only on Xbox	ragereset	12/1/04 1:03 p.m.
What I felt was missing:	ChiperSoft	12/1/04 12:46 p.m.
Extension on that...	axman	12/1/04 1:07 p.m.
Bingo. NM	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:52 p.m.
Re: Extension on that...	box	12/1/04 8:04 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	FriendlyFire	12/1/04 8:35 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Capain Spark	12/1/04 10:50 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Capo Rip	12/1/04 6:44 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	TD MasterChief	12/1/04 11:09 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	El Bastard	12/1/04 11:18 a.m.
the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...?	Zaknafein	12/1/04 2:05 p.m.
Re: the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...?	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 2:59 p.m.
My sentiments exactly. Well said. =D NM	Zaknafein	12/1/04 3:42 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Stuart	12/1/04 2:25 p.m.
Remember where in the game you enjoyed it the most	MthdDirector	12/1/04 2:26 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Viscily II	12/1/04 4:15 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	'Nosolee	12/1/04 5:33 p.m.
I think, I've figured out what's missing. SP	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 8:43 p.m.
Re: I think, I've figured out what's missing. SP	igniter	12/1/04 11:17 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Ducain	12/1/04 10:13 p.m.
Re: Analog plasma pistol	ragereset	12/1/04 11:09 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	ThorsHammer	12/1/04 11:15 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP True!	Ducain	12/2/04 3:51 p.m.
I just can't help but point out....	Konrad	12/2/04 8:27 p.m.
Burn. NM	Zero Flaw (E Nomini Patri)	12/2/04 8:35 p.m.
bad second quote	gspawn	12/2/04 8:39 p.m.
Re: Of Repetition SP	Sep7imus [subnova]	11/30/04 5:06 p.m.
my two cents. sp	B-Sharp	11/30/04 6:34 p.m.
Two more cents	ragereset	11/30/04 11:14 p.m.
Re: Two more cents to your two more cents	paladin2007	12/1/04 11:24 a.m.
Re: Two more cents	chaosknight514	12/1/04 4:36 p.m.
Something else to think about...	B-Sharp	12/1/04 4:59 p.m.
My Opinion	jac170sd	12/1/04 4:48 p.m.
Re: My Opinion	B-Sharp	12/1/04 5:46 p.m.
I have a few legitimate critiques	Noir	12/1/04 10:25 a.m.
Another $0.02	Smitty	12/1/04 2:41 p.m.
keep taking those deep breaths	MasterGrunt_Yayap-117	12/1/04 10:50 a.m.
Re: keep taking those deep breaths	bungiefan	12/1/04 11:35 a.m.
Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Dazza	12/1/04 11:30 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 11:41 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Dazza	12/1/04 11:46 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 11:49 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Dazza	12/1/04 11:51 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Capain Spark	12/1/04 11:55 a.m.
What do/did we want from Halo 2.. and forH3 long	3Suns	12/2/04 9:15 p.m.
Noteable "community" figures	WRATHofGOD	12/1/04 1:10 p.m.
Hrm...	El Bastard	12/1/04 1:54 p.m.
Re: Hrm...	GhaleonEB	12/1/04 2:44 p.m.
Re: Hrm...	WRATHofGOD	12/1/04 3:49 p.m.
Re: Noteable "community" figs & rampant fanboism	R.G.	12/1/04 4:30 p.m.
Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :)	Louis Wu	12/1/04 7:27 p.m.
Re: Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :)	WRATHofGOD	12/2/04 7:57 a.m.
Re: Noteable "community" figures	Capo Rip	12/2/04 1:39 a.m.
A great but imperfect game	FoolsRun	12/1/04 2:53 p.m.
Said perfectly! Minor gripes from me below! NM	Jamirus99	12/1/04 3:28 p.m.
Re: A great but imperfect game	bungiefan	12/1/04 3:30 p.m.
The sum of its parts are greater than the whole	FoolsRun	12/1/04 5:34 p.m.
Great post! True, this will make Halo 3 better. NM	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 4:08 p.m.
Re: A great but imperfect game	Inky	12/1/04 9:57 p.m.
Excellent Review. thanks for posting it. NM	R.G.	12/2/04 12:51 a.m.
A Final Note to Bungie	Vadcol	12/2/04 12:53 a.m.
My thoughts on Halo 2 (To boot) SP	Jamirus99	12/1/04 3:23 p.m.
Better the second time around	KilgoreTrout XL	12/1/04 3:25 p.m.
Absolutely Brilliant. I Totally Agree... NM	Bluestone	12/1/04 3:42 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Capo Rip	12/1/04 4:07 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Arc	12/1/04 5:10 p.m.
So true...	Capo Rip	12/1/04 6:18 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Seraph	12/1/04 5:09 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	MthdDirector	12/1/04 7:10 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Hieros	12/1/04 5:58 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	comicbookguy	12/1/04 6:19 p.m.
in regard to MP img	retsamolah	12/1/04 6:49 p.m.
Not All the Way, Spray and Pray:	Jamirus99	12/1/04 7:43 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Knight Premier	12/1/04 6:53 p.m.
it's smarter than me	spaartan117	12/1/04 7:43 p.m.
Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Bey Bey Bey	12/1/04 7:48 p.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 8:16 p.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	R.G.	12/1/04 11:13 p.m.
OK, I'm done, gotta call it a nite	Miguel Chavez	12/2/04 1:16 a.m.
Ditto,...	Ross Mills [subnova]	12/2/04 8:12 a.m.
Auteur! Auteur! Magnifique! NM	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	12/2/04 7:53 a.m.
Re: Bravo! NM	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/2/04 9:01 a.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Qonas	12/2/04 4:43 p.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Mothergoat	12/3/04 8:47 a.m.
what everyone should do is...	fludblud	12/2/04 7:08 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Dundre	12/1/04 8:44 p.m.
All I want for christmas	Trevor Austin	12/1/04 9:47 p.m.
I think that we're out of focus here.	THASF A.K.A. The Halo and Sonic Fan	12/1/04 10:17 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Traize	12/2/04 7:49 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Chaka	12/2/04 7:03 p.m.