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Two more cents

Posted By: ragereset Date: 11/30/04 11:14 p.m.
In Response To: my two cents. *sp* (B-Sharp)

: From a purely technical standpoint (minor graphical glitches aside), Halo 2
: is superior in nearly every single way.
: Hell, you could come at an encounter in Halo 1 from several different
: directions sometimes in even the FIRST LEVEL. You could attack covies head
: on, or run around one of the side corridors and come from behind to
: surprise them. Halo 2 has very few opportunities like this.
You've nailed an aspect of the game which I think has a huge bearing on the 'not as fun' factor. Part of the appeal of Halo 1 was having to make tactical decisions - take the scorpion through the tunnel on AOTCR in a bid to take out the ghosts whilst shielded from the Wraith, or head through the chasm and hope to take out the Wraith first and mop up the stragglers? There was strategy involved and I think perhaps this is less true of Halo 2. I want to crest a hill in my ghost and come upon a full scale war. I want me and my small band of marines/elites to be ambushed by dropships sending in waves of ground forces to eliminate us once and for all, I want to fight them off while retreating to safety as Cortana calls ahead to rally ground troops and air support resulting in one hum-dinger of a showdown in a big, open area with a handful of different ways to fight/support/attack and defend. I want to surprise a large group of the enemy when theyre not expecting me. I want to be buried in the tunnels of some city or covenent spacecraft, alone but for my gun and the sound of my footsteps when suddenly a screaming flood leaps from the ceiling. We got a taste of a lot of this stuff in Halo 1 and I guess I was hoping for more of the same but on a grander scale. And this is what I believe Bungie will get back to in Halo 3 - the sort of gameplay that when you finally hit pause because you have to go to the bathroom and can't ignore it any longer, you realise you have a sheen of sweat on your forhead and you're puffing. Halo has a great story and yes, the story is necessary, but at the same time, if they made a game where I was just dropped into random scenarios like the ones described above, I'd buy it and wear the game disc as thin as my copy of Halo 1 must be..
What had me warding of fits of near delirium was the 'promise' (I use the term simply for want of a better word, I know nothing was ever promised to anyone) of the advanced AI. AI that would shoot out lights, AI that would call in support, AI that would fire on your cover and, when it found it was destructible, would pummel it to smithereens. AI that sent out scouts and set up ambushes. The sort of AI that I would be happy to go back to Halo 1 graphics in order to get.
Sounds great, but upon reflection I wonder how workable this would be. If the enemy is too smart, maybe it would be too smart for the player's good. I mean, in the end we are talking about one person against an army - realistically, the army should crush the hero ten minutes into the first level.It begs the question; how good can AI become without damaging or negating the players' experience? Food for thought.
And yes, a flashlight that turns itself off after 5 seconds is something I, too, found inexplicable.

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A few deep breaths *SP* ragereset 11/30/04 1:19 a.m.

True, true *NM* *NM* 7h3_h0ck3y_w1z 11/30/04 2:10 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report R.G. 11/30/04 5:44 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage ^^^ *SP* above! ^^^ *NM* R.G. 11/30/04 5:50 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report ragereset 12/1/04 6:13 a.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report Mr Sniggles 12/1/04 5:39 p.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report Blitzwolf 12/1/04 8:19 p.m.

*chink* *NM* rolando 12/1/04 12:04 p.m.

Re: more post-game carnage report Viscily II 12/1/04 3:41 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Kermit 11/30/04 6:48 a.m.

I Only Have a Couple Sentences to Say About This.. Mintz08 11/30/04 7:31 a.m.

Ditto, both. :) *NM* Blitzwolf 12/1/04 8:03 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Ross Mills [subnova] 11/30/04 8:43 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Louis Wu 11/30/04 10:57 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* ragereset 11/30/04 12:59 p.m.

Agreed. MikeMan445 11/30/04 6:19 p.m.

Re: Agreed. box 12/1/04 11:58 a.m.

BULLSEYE! Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:41 p.m.

Re: BULLSEYE! Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:44 p.m.

Re: BULLSEYE! Qonas 12/1/04 10:41 p.m.

Couldn't have said it better myself *NM* *NM* box 12/2/04 10:21 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Wado SG 11/30/04 4:38 p.m.

Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to digest *NM* Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:47 p.m.

Re: Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to dig Qonas 12/2/04 4:41 p.m.

Hmm... *SP* Saint [lpn] 11/30/04 8:05 p.m.

EVERYTHING and BETTER SuddenDark.com 12/1/04 11:45 a.m.

Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER El Bastard 12/1/04 11:50 a.m.

Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER SuddenDark.com 12/1/04 1:08 p.m.

Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER mercury 12/1/04 4:34 p.m.

YES, YES, YES! Blitzwolf 12/1/04 10:08 p.m.

Re: Why I think that happened *pseudo-review* *SP* ThorsHammer 11/30/04 10:41 p.m.

Re: Why I think that happened *pseudo-review* *SP* Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 9:47 a.m.

Only on Xbox ragereset 12/1/04 1:03 p.m.

What I felt was missing: ChiperSoft 12/1/04 12:46 p.m.

Extension on that... axman 12/1/04 1:07 p.m.

Bingo. *NM* Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 1:52 p.m.

Re: Extension on that... box 12/1/04 8:04 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* FriendlyFire 12/1/04 8:35 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Capain Spark 12/1/04 10:50 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Capo Rip 12/1/04 6:44 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* TD MasterChief 12/1/04 11:09 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* El Bastard 12/1/04 11:18 a.m.

the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...? Zaknafein 12/1/04 2:05 p.m.

Re: the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...? Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 2:59 p.m.

My sentiments exactly. Well said. =D *NM* Zaknafein 12/1/04 3:42 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Stuart 12/1/04 2:25 p.m.

Remember where in the game you enjoyed it the most MthdDirector 12/1/04 2:26 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Viscily II 12/1/04 4:15 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* 'Nosolee 12/1/04 5:33 p.m.

I think, I've figured out what's missing. *SP* Blitzwolf 12/1/04 8:43 p.m.

Re: I think, I've figured out what's missing. *SP* igniter 12/1/04 11:17 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Ducain 12/1/04 10:13 p.m.

Re: Analog plasma pistol ragereset 12/1/04 11:09 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* ThorsHammer 12/1/04 11:15 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* True! Ducain 12/2/04 3:51 p.m.

I just can't help but point out.... Konrad 12/2/04 8:27 p.m.

Burn. *NM* Zero Flaw (E Nomini Patri) 12/2/04 8:35 p.m.

bad second quote gspawn 12/2/04 8:39 p.m.

Re: Of Repetition *SP* Sep7imus [subnova] 11/30/04 5:06 p.m.

my two cents. *sp* B-Sharp 11/30/04 6:34 p.m.

Two more cents ragereset 11/30/04 11:14 p.m.

Re: Two more cents to your two more cents paladin2007 12/1/04 11:24 a.m.

Re: Two more cents chaosknight514 12/1/04 4:36 p.m.

Something else to think about... B-Sharp 12/1/04 4:59 p.m.

My Opinion jac170sd 12/1/04 4:48 p.m.

Re: My Opinion B-Sharp 12/1/04 5:46 p.m.

I have a few legitimate critiques Noir 12/1/04 10:25 a.m.

Another $0.02 Smitty 12/1/04 2:41 p.m.

keep taking those deep breaths MasterGrunt_Yayap-117 12/1/04 10:50 a.m.

Re: keep taking those deep breaths bungiefan 12/1/04 11:35 a.m.

Deep breaths - vitriol free. Dazza 12/1/04 11:30 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 11:41 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Dazza 12/1/04 11:46 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 11:49 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Dazza 12/1/04 11:51 a.m.

Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free. Capain Spark 12/1/04 11:55 a.m.

What do/did we want from Halo 2.. and forH3 *long* 3Suns 12/2/04 9:15 p.m.

Noteable "community" figures WRATHofGOD 12/1/04 1:10 p.m.

Hrm... El Bastard 12/1/04 1:54 p.m.

Re: Hrm... GhaleonEB 12/1/04 2:44 p.m.

Re: Hrm... WRATHofGOD 12/1/04 3:49 p.m.

Re: Noteable "community" figs & rampant fanboism R.G. 12/1/04 4:30 p.m.

Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :) Louis Wu 12/1/04 7:27 p.m.

Re: Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :) WRATHofGOD 12/2/04 7:57 a.m.

Re: Noteable "community" figures Capo Rip 12/2/04 1:39 a.m.

A great but imperfect game FoolsRun 12/1/04 2:53 p.m.

Said perfectly! Minor gripes from me below! *NM* Jamirus99 12/1/04 3:28 p.m.

Re: A great but imperfect game bungiefan 12/1/04 3:30 p.m.

The sum of its parts are greater than the whole FoolsRun 12/1/04 5:34 p.m.

Great post! True, this will make Halo 3 better. *NM* Siva Wr'k 12/1/04 4:08 p.m.

Re: A great but imperfect game Inky 12/1/04 9:57 p.m.

Excellent Review. thanks for posting it. *NM* R.G. 12/2/04 12:51 a.m.

A Final Note to Bungie Vadcol 12/2/04 12:53 a.m.

My thoughts on Halo 2 (To boot) *SP* Jamirus99 12/1/04 3:23 p.m.

Better the second time around KilgoreTrout XL 12/1/04 3:25 p.m.

Absolutely Brilliant. I Totally Agree... *NM* Bluestone 12/1/04 3:42 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Capo Rip 12/1/04 4:07 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Arc 12/1/04 5:10 p.m.

So true... Capo Rip 12/1/04 6:18 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Seraph 12/1/04 5:09 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* MthdDirector 12/1/04 7:10 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Hieros 12/1/04 5:58 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* comicbookguy 12/1/04 6:19 p.m.

in regard to MP *img* retsamolah 12/1/04 6:49 p.m.

Not All the Way, Spray and Pray: Jamirus99 12/1/04 7:43 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Knight Premier 12/1/04 6:53 p.m.

it's smarter than me spaartan117 12/1/04 7:43 p.m.

Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Bey Bey Bey 12/1/04 7:48 p.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Sep7imus [subnova] 12/1/04 8:16 p.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters R.G. 12/1/04 11:13 p.m.

OK, I'm done, gotta call it a nite Miguel Chavez 12/2/04 1:16 a.m.

Ditto,... Ross Mills [subnova] 12/2/04 8:12 a.m.

Auteur! Auteur! Magnifique! *NM* Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 12/2/04 7:53 a.m.

Re: Bravo! *NM* Sep7imus [subnova] 12/2/04 9:01 a.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Qonas 12/2/04 4:43 p.m.

Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters Mothergoat 12/3/04 8:47 a.m.

what everyone should do is... fludblud 12/2/04 7:08 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Dundre 12/1/04 8:44 p.m.

All I want for christmas Trevor Austin 12/1/04 9:47 p.m.

I think that we're out of focus here. *THASF* A.K.A. The Halo and Sonic Fan 12/1/04 10:17 p.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Traize 12/2/04 7:49 a.m.

Re: A few deep breaths *SP* Chaka 12/2/04 7:03 p.m.

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A few deep breaths SP	ragereset	11/30/04 1:19 a.m.
True, true NM NM	7h3_h0ck3y_w1z	11/30/04 2:10 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	R.G.	11/30/04 5:44 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage ^^^ SP above! ^^^ NM	R.G.	11/30/04 5:50 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	ragereset	12/1/04 6:13 a.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	Mr Sniggles	12/1/04 5:39 p.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 8:19 p.m.
chink NM	rolando	12/1/04 12:04 p.m.
Re: more post-game carnage report	Viscily II	12/1/04 3:41 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Kermit	11/30/04 6:48 a.m.
I Only Have a Couple Sentences to Say About This..	Mintz08	11/30/04 7:31 a.m.
Ditto, both. :) NM	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 8:03 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Ross Mills [subnova]	11/30/04 8:43 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Louis Wu	11/30/04 10:57 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	ragereset	11/30/04 12:59 p.m.
Agreed.	MikeMan445	11/30/04 6:19 p.m.
Re: Agreed.	box	12/1/04 11:58 a.m.
BULLSEYE!	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:41 p.m.
Re: BULLSEYE!	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:44 p.m.
Re: BULLSEYE!	Qonas	12/1/04 10:41 p.m.
Couldn't have said it better myself NM NM	box	12/2/04 10:21 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Wado SG	11/30/04 4:38 p.m.
Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to digest NM	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:47 p.m.
Re: Yes, agreed. Too much story in one game to dig	Qonas	12/2/04 4:41 p.m.
Hmm... SP	Saint [lpn]	11/30/04 8:05 p.m.
EVERYTHING and BETTER	SuddenDark.com	12/1/04 11:45 a.m.
Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER	El Bastard	12/1/04 11:50 a.m.
Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER	SuddenDark.com	12/1/04 1:08 p.m.
Re: EVERYTHING and BETTER	mercury	12/1/04 4:34 p.m.
YES, YES, YES!	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 10:08 p.m.
Re: Why I think that happened pseudo-review SP	ThorsHammer	11/30/04 10:41 p.m.
Re: Why I think that happened pseudo-review SP	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 9:47 a.m.
Only on Xbox	ragereset	12/1/04 1:03 p.m.
What I felt was missing:	ChiperSoft	12/1/04 12:46 p.m.
Extension on that...	axman	12/1/04 1:07 p.m.
Bingo. NM	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 1:52 p.m.
Re: Extension on that...	box	12/1/04 8:04 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	FriendlyFire	12/1/04 8:35 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Capain Spark	12/1/04 10:50 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Capo Rip	12/1/04 6:44 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	TD MasterChief	12/1/04 11:09 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	El Bastard	12/1/04 11:18 a.m.
the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...?	Zaknafein	12/1/04 2:05 p.m.
Re: the 'seek not to conquer.." factor...?	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 2:59 p.m.
My sentiments exactly. Well said. =D NM	Zaknafein	12/1/04 3:42 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Stuart	12/1/04 2:25 p.m.
Remember where in the game you enjoyed it the most	MthdDirector	12/1/04 2:26 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Viscily II	12/1/04 4:15 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	'Nosolee	12/1/04 5:33 p.m.
I think, I've figured out what's missing. SP	Blitzwolf	12/1/04 8:43 p.m.
Re: I think, I've figured out what's missing. SP	igniter	12/1/04 11:17 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Ducain	12/1/04 10:13 p.m.
Re: Analog plasma pistol	ragereset	12/1/04 11:09 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	ThorsHammer	12/1/04 11:15 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP True!	Ducain	12/2/04 3:51 p.m.
I just can't help but point out....	Konrad	12/2/04 8:27 p.m.
Burn. NM	Zero Flaw (E Nomini Patri)	12/2/04 8:35 p.m.
bad second quote	gspawn	12/2/04 8:39 p.m.
Re: Of Repetition SP	Sep7imus [subnova]	11/30/04 5:06 p.m.
my two cents. sp	B-Sharp	11/30/04 6:34 p.m.
Two more cents	ragereset	11/30/04 11:14 p.m.
Re: Two more cents to your two more cents	paladin2007	12/1/04 11:24 a.m.
Re: Two more cents	chaosknight514	12/1/04 4:36 p.m.
Something else to think about...	B-Sharp	12/1/04 4:59 p.m.
My Opinion	jac170sd	12/1/04 4:48 p.m.
Re: My Opinion	B-Sharp	12/1/04 5:46 p.m.
I have a few legitimate critiques	Noir	12/1/04 10:25 a.m.
Another $0.02	Smitty	12/1/04 2:41 p.m.
keep taking those deep breaths	MasterGrunt_Yayap-117	12/1/04 10:50 a.m.
Re: keep taking those deep breaths	bungiefan	12/1/04 11:35 a.m.
Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Dazza	12/1/04 11:30 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 11:41 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Dazza	12/1/04 11:46 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 11:49 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Dazza	12/1/04 11:51 a.m.
Re: Deep breaths - vitriol free.	Capain Spark	12/1/04 11:55 a.m.
What do/did we want from Halo 2.. and forH3 long	3Suns	12/2/04 9:15 p.m.
Noteable "community" figures	WRATHofGOD	12/1/04 1:10 p.m.
Hrm...	El Bastard	12/1/04 1:54 p.m.
Re: Hrm...	GhaleonEB	12/1/04 2:44 p.m.
Re: Hrm...	WRATHofGOD	12/1/04 3:49 p.m.
Re: Noteable "community" figs & rampant fanboism	R.G.	12/1/04 4:30 p.m.
Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :)	Louis Wu	12/1/04 7:27 p.m.
Re: Sounds like someone has a bone to pick. :)	WRATHofGOD	12/2/04 7:57 a.m.
Re: Noteable "community" figures	Capo Rip	12/2/04 1:39 a.m.
A great but imperfect game	FoolsRun	12/1/04 2:53 p.m.
Said perfectly! Minor gripes from me below! NM	Jamirus99	12/1/04 3:28 p.m.
Re: A great but imperfect game	bungiefan	12/1/04 3:30 p.m.
The sum of its parts are greater than the whole	FoolsRun	12/1/04 5:34 p.m.
Great post! True, this will make Halo 3 better. NM	Siva Wr'k	12/1/04 4:08 p.m.
Re: A great but imperfect game	Inky	12/1/04 9:57 p.m.
Excellent Review. thanks for posting it. NM	R.G.	12/2/04 12:51 a.m.
A Final Note to Bungie	Vadcol	12/2/04 12:53 a.m.
My thoughts on Halo 2 (To boot) SP	Jamirus99	12/1/04 3:23 p.m.
Better the second time around	KilgoreTrout XL	12/1/04 3:25 p.m.
Absolutely Brilliant. I Totally Agree... NM	Bluestone	12/1/04 3:42 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Capo Rip	12/1/04 4:07 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Arc	12/1/04 5:10 p.m.
So true...	Capo Rip	12/1/04 6:18 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Seraph	12/1/04 5:09 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	MthdDirector	12/1/04 7:10 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Hieros	12/1/04 5:58 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	comicbookguy	12/1/04 6:19 p.m.
in regard to MP img	retsamolah	12/1/04 6:49 p.m.
Not All the Way, Spray and Pray:	Jamirus99	12/1/04 7:43 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Knight Premier	12/1/04 6:53 p.m.
it's smarter than me	spaartan117	12/1/04 7:43 p.m.
Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Bey Bey Bey	12/1/04 7:48 p.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/1/04 8:16 p.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	R.G.	12/1/04 11:13 p.m.
OK, I'm done, gotta call it a nite	Miguel Chavez	12/2/04 1:16 a.m.
Ditto,...	Ross Mills [subnova]	12/2/04 8:12 a.m.
Auteur! Auteur! Magnifique! NM	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	12/2/04 7:53 a.m.
Re: Bravo! NM	Sep7imus [subnova]	12/2/04 9:01 a.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Qonas	12/2/04 4:43 p.m.
Re: Randy Glass and Halo 2 haters	Mothergoat	12/3/04 8:47 a.m.
what everyone should do is...	fludblud	12/2/04 7:08 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Dundre	12/1/04 8:44 p.m.
All I want for christmas	Trevor Austin	12/1/04 9:47 p.m.
I think that we're out of focus here.	THASF A.K.A. The Halo and Sonic Fan	12/1/04 10:17 p.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Traize	12/2/04 7:49 a.m.
Re: A few deep breaths SP	Chaka	12/2/04 7:03 p.m.