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Re: Don't bash Carmack
Posted By: menace <matthewv@best.com>	Date: 2/13/00 6:27 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Don't bash Carmack (Jägermeister) > I guess I should have been more specific...that's not how I PLAY > FPS's...that just seems to be the average strategy most Quake > players use, and it works because of the way the game is set up. Heh, well since you admitted in another post you've never even played Quake, it should be no surprse that you don't know how these games are really played. > It was more colorful, but not when it comes to textures. Mostly > variants of gray, brown, and green (ooo! they ADDED a color!) Actually Q1 had much more colorful textures in general than Q2. Q2 was more colorful only due to the colored lights. (And Q1 had a lot of color--at least as much as M1, for instance--which you'd know if you actually played it. There are whole levels that are blue, for instance, and plenty of green and red, as well as the well-known brown, black, and gray.) > Well, theres... > Marathon (2 and Inf, 1 looked more cartoon, but the textures > were VASTLY superior). M1's textures were kind of a joke, they really don't stand up well today (for instance, there isn't a single M1 texture that would look good in a modern game engine). M2 had some decent textures, and a lot of crap. M Inf has the best textures of the Marathon series, and they are really quite nice, though often more abstract than realistic looking. But they do look good in the game, and transplant fairly well to other engines. > Oni (close enough to release to say this). > Halo (it isn't even close to coming out, and it's already > better). > Abuse (so it was a third person side-scroller...still...) Hehe, I see that you are pretty much only aware of the games from one single company, and are forced to drag them up to "prove" a point. Let's not even drag unreleased games into this no matter how near release you think thy are. That leaves the marathon games (which had very simple, cartoonish 2D sprites for characters with very rough animations, NOT any 3D player models or skins in sight) and Abuse (ditto, and it wasn't even made by Bungie, just published--Abuse was made by a hardcore PC and Linux-oriented game company run by, get this, ex-id employees...betcha didn't know that, now, did you?) > And, speaking from an opinion grounded in realism, but not > design talent: > Unreal Tourney (note, I'm speaking REALISTICALLY. I WILL agree > that the character art in UT is less detailed and more generic > than that in Q3, but it MAKES MORE SENSE). Heh, that's the first sensible and generally accurate statement I've EVER seen you make, in like a year or two of reading your posts in various places. Go figure, maybe you're growing up or something? Or maybe it's just the only non-Bungie game you've ever played so you felt the need to say something good about it... > (: Jägermeister :)

Message Index

Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Louis Wu	2/9/00 12:58 p.m.
I think he's nuts	Mark Levin	2/9/00 1:20 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Dead Glory	2/9/00 1:31 p.m.
Ego Man!	Ragnarok	2/9/00 9:21 p.m.
SuperEgo. Hmmm. Freudian slip. (NT)	Dispatcher	2/9/00 11:10 p.m.
Don't bash Carmack	MacFury	2/10/00 12:08 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Ragnarok	2/10/00 12:57 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Maestro	2/10/00 4:30 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 4:57 a.m.
Actually, I think it's anything above 12b or so-nt	David Oosha	2/10/00 7:42 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Ragnarok	2/10/00 1:10 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 1:35 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Mark Levin	2/10/00 2:04 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:00 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 8:06 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Redox	2/10/00 9:42 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Louis Wu	2/12/00 4:52 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:43 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Mark Levin	2/11/00 12:02 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Nijhazer	2/10/00 2:51 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 8:07 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/10/00 2:26 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:06 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/10/00 3:25 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:38 p.m.
UT has better skins, IMHO	MacGuyver	2/10/00 4:54 p.m.
Re: UT has better skins, IMHO	menace	2/10/00 9:46 p.m.
Re: Q3 may have better skins alone...	Mark Levin	2/10/00 10:29 p.m.
good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone...	menace	2/10/00 10:33 p.m.
Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone.	Jägermeister	2/11/00 2:20 p.m.
Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone.	menace	2/13/00 7:38 a.m.
Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone.	Jägermeister	2/13/00 3:34 p.m.
Cognitive Dissonance	Redox	2/10/00 10:37 p.m.
Re: Cognitive Dissonance	menace	2/10/00 10:53 p.m.
Re: Cognitive Dissonance	Redox	2/10/00 11:04 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/11/00 2:26 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/11/00 4:43 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/11/00 4:58 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/11/00 11:42 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 6:27 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/13/00 7:52 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/13/00 7:59 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/13/00 11:28 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:30 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	PowerMan	2/10/00 4:46 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:07 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Giule	2/11/00 8:14 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/11/00 10:56 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	8Delicious	2/11/00 11:33 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 6:45 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	8Delicious	2/14/00 7:41 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:04 p.m.
*Sniff* people can be so mean... (NT)	Iku-Turso	2/11/00 12:10 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/11/00 2:15 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/11/00 11:36 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/12/00 2:32 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/12/00 3:44 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/12/00 2:48 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/12/00 10:49 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/12/00 11:37 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 7:34 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 7:25 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/13/00 3:30 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/14/00 2:37 a.m.
Can we grow up now please?	Mark Levin	2/14/00 9:12 a.m.
Not to mention...	Nijhazer	2/14/00 9:24 a.m.
Re: Not to mention...	menace	2/14/00 11:33 a.m.
OT	Nijhazer	2/14/00 12:31 p.m.
thx Re: OT	menace	2/14/00 11:45 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/14/00 1:32 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Nijhazer	2/9/00 2:22 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Desio	2/9/00 6:30 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	sarwat	2/9/00 2:40 p.m.
Re: I think he's upset	- - [ - - - - - - Tycho - - - - - - ] - -	2/9/00 2:50 p.m.
Errr...	Xian	2/9/00 3:24 p.m.
Re: well crap	- - [ - - - - - - Tycho - - - - - - ] - -	2/9/00 5:56 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Mark Levin	2/9/00 3:33 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–*ß*¬°ßå 7 14 21 28	2/9/00 10:19 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Giule	2/9/00 2:47 p.m.
Re: About Id and Bungie..	Dalan Galma	2/9/00 6:05 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	David Oosha	2/9/00 8:33 p.m.
that guy Carmack	Mad Pad	2/10/00 9:06 a.m.
Re: that guy Carmack	menace	2/10/00 9:03 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 12:08 a.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 1:04 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Mark Levin	2/10/00 2:03 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:14 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Nijhazer	2/10/00 6:00 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Johnny Rotten	2/11/00 12:19 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Nijhazer	2/11/00 12:41 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Br'fin	2/9/00 1:49 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	sarwat	2/9/00 2:30 p.m.
Wolf3D to Pathways? I think UU moreso	menace	2/10/00 8:51 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo, I comment on Carmack	8Delicious	2/9/00 2:19 p.m.
Something that bothers me...	Nijhazer	2/9/00 2:27 p.m.
Re: Something that bothers me...	menace	2/10/00 8:44 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Michael Ash	2/9/00 2:55 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	menace	2/10/00 8:38 p.m.
What do you guys expect him to say?	Xian	2/9/00 3:07 p.m.
Re: What do you guys expect him to say?	8Delicious	2/10/00 6:11 a.m.
Re: What do you guys expect him to say?	menace	2/10/00 8:27 p.m.
Re: What do you guys expect him to say?	8Delicious	2/11/00 10:58 a.m.
That's fair.	Forensic	2/9/00 3:41 p.m.
Re: That's fair.	Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–*ß*¬°ßå 7 14 21 28	2/9/00 10:31 p.m.
Re: That's fair.	menace	2/10/00 8:19 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Devil Warrior	2/9/00 3:55 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	menace	2/10/00 8:16 p.m.
Carmack comments on Halo	AlphaNumeric	2/9/00 8:57 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo	menace	2/10/00 8:10 p.m.
"ID's Mac Shadow"?! He's crazy.	Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–*ß*¬°ßå 7 14 21 28	2/9/00 10:15 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Maestro	2/9/00 10:40 p.m.
There are a few other types of games.... NT	Sempiternity	2/10/00 12:23 p.m.
Bungie's Agenda	Br'fin	2/10/00 2:09 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Matt	2/10/00 11:52 a.m.
Werdup!(nt)	Maestro	2/10/00 6:32 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Forensic, Voodoo Extreme version.	2/10/00 9:35 p.m.
Next On Celeberty Deathmach, Caramac VS Jones n/t	Adeamus	2/10/00 10:16 p.m.
Calm Down	Case	2/10/00 8:29 p.m.
I agree, why is everyone getting into a huff? (nt)	Freewill	2/11/00 12:24 a.m.
Cleanse with haiku!	MacGuyver	2/11/00 11:44 a.m.
Cleanse with haiku!	8Delicious	2/11/00 12:50 p.m.
Re: Cleanse with haiku!	Jägermeister	2/11/00 1:20 p.m.
beware of the iamb!	8Delicious	2/11/00 2:48 p.m.
Storied PC FPS:	Ramses II	2/11/00 2:41 a.m.
Re: Storied PC FPS:	Ragnarok	2/11/00 11:14 a.m.
Re: Calm Down	Giule	2/11/00 6:56 a.m.
Re: Calm Down	Giule	2/11/00 6:56 a.m.
Re: Calm Down	Giule	2/11/00 6:58 a.m.
I did not write that...	Jaime	2/11/00 10:03 a.m.
Who are You?	8Delicious	2/11/00 12:35 p.m.
Re: Who are You?	Nijhazer	2/11/00 12:40 p.m.
Re: I did not write that...	Case (non-Bungie)	2/11/00 8:20 p.m.
Apoligezs (Sp?)	Ragnarok	2/11/00 11:22 a.m.