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I agree, why is everyone getting into a huff? (nt)

Posted By: Freewill <freewill@bungie.net> Date: 2/11/00 12:24 a.m.
In Response To: Calm Down (Case)

> I'd like to make a few points here. I'm an avid Quake fan who
> also happens to be very much looking forward to Halo.
> First, some of you guys seem to think that anything less than,
> "Now that Quake 3 is over I'm doing nothing but reading
> Halo fan sites and writing some Halo fan fiction because Bungie
> is the greatest game company and the engine sure as hell is
> better than anything I could do" is a horrendous insult to
> Bungie. That's ludicrous. Just as he wouldn't badmouth a
> competitor, he's not going to admit that they are better than
> his own company. Matt Soell's response is essentially in the
> same vein.
> Some people are taking offense that id is even mentioned in the
> same breath as Bungie because id's games have no story. Well, I
> don't know how many PC FPSs you guys play, but the number of
> FPSs with a good story (ie, any at all) that I can think of is
> 3, Half-Life and the two System Shock games. Out of four billion
> Wolf, Doom, and Quake clones. So Quake is tied for fourth in
> story in the PC market (fifth if we put in Marathon 2 as well).
> I can't speak for the Mac market, but I'm pretty sure there's no
> one that really compares to Bungie there either in the storyline
> department.
> Remember that Carmack is an engine programmer, not a game
> designer. It may be partially his fault that id hasn't HIRED a
> game designer (until they got Graeme Devine a few months ago)
> but the focus of the interview is graphics. That's why Halo was
> mentioned...not because of its story (Bungie's excellence in
> plot is unknown to most PC gamers...they're going to get
> blindsided by Halo, something you all should savor) but because
> of its graphics. Carmack knows only what he's seen in the movies
> and screenshots, and frankly that really is not enough to judge.
> And whether you guys admit it he CAN write an outdoors engine
> should id do an outdoors based game instead of the heavily
> indoors-optimized games they've done to this point.
> Finally, to those who say Carmack has done nothing worth of
> mention in the industry, I can only think that you are speaking
> out of ignorance (understandable). Carmack created the FPS genre
> as we know it, and then ushered in the 3D accelerated era. Mac
> users ought to be especially thankful. Developing Q3
> simultaneously on three platforms (including Mac) seems to be
> making other PC game companies notice the Mac platform again.
> Furthermore, you have Carmack to thank for Apple's backing of
> GL. Like it or not, when he speaks the hardware industry
> listens. Like it or not, the Q3 engine is currently the most
> advanced indoor-based 3D engine. Period.
> Really, he said nice things about Bungie. I personally think
> that Bungie's games are better than id's, but id has certainly
> always been ahead in the graphics area. Halo may change that.
> Case
> BTW, I'm serious about Halo blindsiding the PC industry. It will
> be big. You guys should be too busy drooling with anticipation
> to take cheap shots at id.

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Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think? Louis Wu 2/9/00 12:58 p.m.

I think he's nuts Mark Levin 2/9/00 1:20 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Dead Glory 2/9/00 1:31 p.m.

Ego Man! Ragnarok 2/9/00 9:21 p.m.

SuperEgo. Hmmm. Freudian slip. (NT) Dispatcher 2/9/00 11:10 p.m.

Don't bash Carmack MacFury 2/10/00 12:08 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Ragnarok 2/10/00 12:57 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Maestro 2/10/00 4:30 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Dan Rudolph 2/10/00 4:57 a.m.

Actually, I think it's anything above 12b or so-nt David Oosha 2/10/00 7:42 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Ragnarok 2/10/00 1:10 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Johnny Rotten 2/10/00 1:35 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Mark Levin 2/10/00 2:04 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Johnny Rotten 2/10/00 3:00 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Dan Rudolph 2/10/00 8:06 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Redox 2/10/00 9:42 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Louis Wu 2/12/00 4:52 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack menace 2/10/00 10:43 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Mark Levin 2/11/00 12:02 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Nijhazer 2/10/00 2:51 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Dan Rudolph 2/10/00 8:07 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/10/00 2:26 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Johnny Rotten 2/10/00 3:06 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/10/00 3:25 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Johnny Rotten 2/10/00 3:38 p.m.

UT has better skins, IMHO MacGuyver 2/10/00 4:54 p.m.

Re: UT has better skins, IMHO menace 2/10/00 9:46 p.m.

Re: Q3 may have better skins alone... Mark Levin 2/10/00 10:29 p.m.

good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone... menace 2/10/00 10:33 p.m.

Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone. Jägermeister 2/11/00 2:20 p.m.

Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone. menace 2/13/00 7:38 a.m.

Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone. Jägermeister 2/13/00 3:34 p.m.

Cognitive Dissonance Redox 2/10/00 10:37 p.m.

Re: Cognitive Dissonance menace 2/10/00 10:53 p.m.

Re: Cognitive Dissonance Redox 2/10/00 11:04 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/11/00 2:26 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Johnny Rotten 2/11/00 4:43 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/11/00 4:58 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Dan Rudolph 2/11/00 11:42 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack menace 2/13/00 6:27 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/13/00 7:52 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/13/00 7:59 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Dan Rudolph 2/13/00 11:28 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack menace 2/10/00 10:30 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack PowerMan 2/10/00 4:46 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack menace 2/10/00 10:07 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Giule 2/11/00 8:14 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack menace 2/11/00 10:56 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack 8Delicious 2/11/00 11:33 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack menace 2/13/00 6:45 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack 8Delicious 2/14/00 7:41 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack menace 2/10/00 10:04 p.m.

*Sniff* people can be so mean... (NT) Iku-Turso 2/11/00 12:10 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/11/00 2:15 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Dan Rudolph 2/11/00 11:36 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/12/00 2:32 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Dan Rudolph 2/12/00 3:44 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/12/00 2:48 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Dan Rudolph 2/12/00 10:49 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/12/00 11:37 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack menace 2/13/00 7:34 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack menace 2/13/00 7:25 a.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/13/00 3:30 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack menace 2/14/00 2:37 a.m.

Can we grow up now please? Mark Levin 2/14/00 9:12 a.m.

Not to mention... Nijhazer 2/14/00 9:24 a.m.

Re: Not to mention... menace 2/14/00 11:33 a.m.

OT Nijhazer 2/14/00 12:31 p.m.

thx Re: OT menace 2/14/00 11:45 p.m.

Re: Don't bash Carmack Jägermeister 2/14/00 1:32 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Nijhazer 2/9/00 2:22 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Desio 2/9/00 6:30 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts sarwat 2/9/00 2:40 p.m.

Re: I think he's upset - - [ - - - - - - Tycho - - - - - - ] - - 2/9/00 2:50 p.m.

Errr... Xian 2/9/00 3:24 p.m.

Re: well crap - - [ - - - - - - Tycho - - - - - - ] - - 2/9/00 5:56 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Mark Levin 2/9/00 3:33 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–*ß*¬°ßå 7 14 21 28 2/9/00 10:19 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Giule 2/9/00 2:47 p.m.

Re: About Id and Bungie.. Dalan Galma 2/9/00 6:05 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts David Oosha 2/9/00 8:33 p.m.

that guy Carmack Mad Pad 2/10/00 9:06 a.m.

Re: that guy Carmack menace 2/10/00 9:03 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Dan Rudolph 2/10/00 12:08 a.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Johnny Rotten 2/10/00 1:04 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Mark Levin 2/10/00 2:03 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Johnny Rotten 2/10/00 3:14 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Nijhazer 2/10/00 6:00 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Johnny Rotten 2/11/00 12:19 p.m.

Re: I think he's nuts Nijhazer 2/11/00 12:41 p.m.

Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think? Br'fin 2/9/00 1:49 p.m.

Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think? sarwat 2/9/00 2:30 p.m.

Wolf3D to Pathways? I think UU moreso menace 2/10/00 8:51 p.m.

Re: Carmack comments on Halo, I comment on Carmack 8Delicious 2/9/00 2:19 p.m.

Something that bothers me... Nijhazer 2/9/00 2:27 p.m.

Re: Something that bothers me... menace 2/10/00 8:44 p.m.

Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think? Michael Ash 2/9/00 2:55 p.m.

Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think? menace 2/10/00 8:38 p.m.

What do you guys expect him to say? Xian 2/9/00 3:07 p.m.

Re: What do you guys expect him to say? 8Delicious 2/10/00 6:11 a.m.

Re: What do you guys expect him to say? menace 2/10/00 8:27 p.m.

Re: What do you guys expect him to say? 8Delicious 2/11/00 10:58 a.m.

That's fair. Forensic 2/9/00 3:41 p.m.

Re: That's fair. Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–*ß*¬°ßå 7 14 21 28 2/9/00 10:31 p.m.

Re: That's fair. menace 2/10/00 8:19 p.m.

Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think? Devil Warrior 2/9/00 3:55 p.m.

Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think? menace 2/10/00 8:16 p.m.

Carmack comments on Halo AlphaNumeric 2/9/00 8:57 p.m.

Re: Carmack comments on Halo menace 2/10/00 8:10 p.m.

"ID's Mac Shadow"?! He's crazy. Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–*ß*¬°ßå 7 14 21 28 2/9/00 10:15 p.m.

Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think? Maestro 2/9/00 10:40 p.m.

There are a few other types of games.... NT Sempiternity 2/10/00 12:23 p.m.

Bungie's Agenda Br'fin 2/10/00 2:09 p.m.

Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think? Matt 2/10/00 11:52 a.m.

Werdup!(nt) Maestro 2/10/00 6:32 p.m.

Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think? Forensic, Voodoo Extreme version. 2/10/00 9:35 p.m.

Next On Celeberty Deathmach, Caramac VS Jones n/t Adeamus 2/10/00 10:16 p.m.

Calm Down Case 2/10/00 8:29 p.m.

I agree, why is everyone getting into a huff? (nt) Freewill 2/11/00 12:24 a.m.

Cleanse with haiku! MacGuyver 2/11/00 11:44 a.m.

Cleanse with haiku! 8Delicious 2/11/00 12:50 p.m.

Re: Cleanse with haiku! Jägermeister 2/11/00 1:20 p.m.

beware of the iamb! 8Delicious 2/11/00 2:48 p.m.

Storied PC FPS: Ramses II 2/11/00 2:41 a.m.

Re: Storied PC FPS: Ragnarok 2/11/00 11:14 a.m.

Re: Calm Down Giule 2/11/00 6:56 a.m.

Re: Calm Down Giule 2/11/00 6:56 a.m.

Re: Calm Down Giule 2/11/00 6:58 a.m.

I did not write that... Jaime 2/11/00 10:03 a.m.

Who are You? 8Delicious 2/11/00 12:35 p.m.

Re: Who are You? Nijhazer 2/11/00 12:40 p.m.

Re: I did not write that... Case (non-Bungie) 2/11/00 8:20 p.m.

Apoligezs (Sp?) Ragnarok 2/11/00 11:22 a.m.

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Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Louis Wu	2/9/00 12:58 p.m.
I think he's nuts	Mark Levin	2/9/00 1:20 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Dead Glory	2/9/00 1:31 p.m.
Ego Man!	Ragnarok	2/9/00 9:21 p.m.
SuperEgo. Hmmm. Freudian slip. (NT)	Dispatcher	2/9/00 11:10 p.m.
Don't bash Carmack	MacFury	2/10/00 12:08 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Ragnarok	2/10/00 12:57 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Maestro	2/10/00 4:30 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 4:57 a.m.
Actually, I think it's anything above 12b or so-nt	David Oosha	2/10/00 7:42 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Ragnarok	2/10/00 1:10 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 1:35 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Mark Levin	2/10/00 2:04 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:00 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 8:06 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Redox	2/10/00 9:42 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Louis Wu	2/12/00 4:52 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:43 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Mark Levin	2/11/00 12:02 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Nijhazer	2/10/00 2:51 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 8:07 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/10/00 2:26 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:06 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/10/00 3:25 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:38 p.m.
UT has better skins, IMHO	MacGuyver	2/10/00 4:54 p.m.
Re: UT has better skins, IMHO	menace	2/10/00 9:46 p.m.
Re: Q3 may have better skins alone...	Mark Levin	2/10/00 10:29 p.m.
good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone...	menace	2/10/00 10:33 p.m.
Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone.	Jägermeister	2/11/00 2:20 p.m.
Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone.	menace	2/13/00 7:38 a.m.
Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone.	Jägermeister	2/13/00 3:34 p.m.
Cognitive Dissonance	Redox	2/10/00 10:37 p.m.
Re: Cognitive Dissonance	menace	2/10/00 10:53 p.m.
Re: Cognitive Dissonance	Redox	2/10/00 11:04 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/11/00 2:26 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/11/00 4:43 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/11/00 4:58 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/11/00 11:42 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 6:27 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/13/00 7:52 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/13/00 7:59 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/13/00 11:28 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:30 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	PowerMan	2/10/00 4:46 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:07 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Giule	2/11/00 8:14 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/11/00 10:56 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	8Delicious	2/11/00 11:33 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 6:45 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	8Delicious	2/14/00 7:41 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:04 p.m.
Sniff people can be so mean... (NT)	Iku-Turso	2/11/00 12:10 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/11/00 2:15 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/11/00 11:36 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/12/00 2:32 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/12/00 3:44 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/12/00 2:48 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/12/00 10:49 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/12/00 11:37 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 7:34 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 7:25 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/13/00 3:30 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/14/00 2:37 a.m.
Can we grow up now please?	Mark Levin	2/14/00 9:12 a.m.
Not to mention...	Nijhazer	2/14/00 9:24 a.m.
Re: Not to mention...	menace	2/14/00 11:33 a.m.
OT	Nijhazer	2/14/00 12:31 p.m.
thx Re: OT	menace	2/14/00 11:45 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/14/00 1:32 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Nijhazer	2/9/00 2:22 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Desio	2/9/00 6:30 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	sarwat	2/9/00 2:40 p.m.
Re: I think he's upset	- - [ - - - - - - Tycho - - - - - - ] - -	2/9/00 2:50 p.m.
Errr...	Xian	2/9/00 3:24 p.m.
Re: well crap	- - [ - - - - - - Tycho - - - - - - ] - -	2/9/00 5:56 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Mark Levin	2/9/00 3:33 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–ß¬°ßå 7 14 21 28	2/9/00 10:19 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Giule	2/9/00 2:47 p.m.
Re: About Id and Bungie..	Dalan Galma	2/9/00 6:05 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	David Oosha	2/9/00 8:33 p.m.
that guy Carmack	Mad Pad	2/10/00 9:06 a.m.
Re: that guy Carmack	menace	2/10/00 9:03 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 12:08 a.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 1:04 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Mark Levin	2/10/00 2:03 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:14 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Nijhazer	2/10/00 6:00 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Johnny Rotten	2/11/00 12:19 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Nijhazer	2/11/00 12:41 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Br'fin	2/9/00 1:49 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	sarwat	2/9/00 2:30 p.m.
Wolf3D to Pathways? I think UU moreso	menace	2/10/00 8:51 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo, I comment on Carmack	8Delicious	2/9/00 2:19 p.m.
Something that bothers me...	Nijhazer	2/9/00 2:27 p.m.
Re: Something that bothers me...	menace	2/10/00 8:44 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Michael Ash	2/9/00 2:55 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	menace	2/10/00 8:38 p.m.
What do you guys expect him to say?	Xian	2/9/00 3:07 p.m.
Re: What do you guys expect him to say?	8Delicious	2/10/00 6:11 a.m.
Re: What do you guys expect him to say?	menace	2/10/00 8:27 p.m.
Re: What do you guys expect him to say?	8Delicious	2/11/00 10:58 a.m.
That's fair.	Forensic	2/9/00 3:41 p.m.
Re: That's fair.	Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–ß¬°ßå 7 14 21 28	2/9/00 10:31 p.m.
Re: That's fair.	menace	2/10/00 8:19 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Devil Warrior	2/9/00 3:55 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	menace	2/10/00 8:16 p.m.
Carmack comments on Halo	AlphaNumeric	2/9/00 8:57 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo	menace	2/10/00 8:10 p.m.
"ID's Mac Shadow"?! He's crazy.	Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–ß¬°ßå 7 14 21 28	2/9/00 10:15 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Maestro	2/9/00 10:40 p.m.
There are a few other types of games.... NT	Sempiternity	2/10/00 12:23 p.m.
Bungie's Agenda	Br'fin	2/10/00 2:09 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Matt	2/10/00 11:52 a.m.
Werdup!(nt)	Maestro	2/10/00 6:32 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Forensic, Voodoo Extreme version.	2/10/00 9:35 p.m.
Next On Celeberty Deathmach, Caramac VS Jones n/t	Adeamus	2/10/00 10:16 p.m.
Calm Down	Case	2/10/00 8:29 p.m.
I agree, why is everyone getting into a huff? (nt)	Freewill	2/11/00 12:24 a.m.
Cleanse with haiku!	MacGuyver	2/11/00 11:44 a.m.
Cleanse with haiku!	8Delicious	2/11/00 12:50 p.m.
Re: Cleanse with haiku!	Jägermeister	2/11/00 1:20 p.m.
beware of the iamb!	8Delicious	2/11/00 2:48 p.m.
Storied PC FPS:	Ramses II	2/11/00 2:41 a.m.
Re: Storied PC FPS:	Ragnarok	2/11/00 11:14 a.m.
Re: Calm Down	Giule	2/11/00 6:56 a.m.
Re: Calm Down	Giule	2/11/00 6:56 a.m.
Re: Calm Down	Giule	2/11/00 6:58 a.m.
I did not write that...	Jaime	2/11/00 10:03 a.m.
Who are You?	8Delicious	2/11/00 12:35 p.m.
Re: Who are You?	Nijhazer	2/11/00 12:40 p.m.
Re: I did not write that...	Case (non-Bungie)	2/11/00 8:20 p.m.
Apoligezs (Sp?)	Ragnarok	2/11/00 11:22 a.m.