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Re: Don't bash Carmack
Posted By: menace <matthewv@best.com>	Date: 2/10/00 10:30 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Don't bash Carmack (Jägermeister) > Actually, that part was directed mostly at Q1 and 2...however, I > still think games need solo games with detailed stories. ID is > one of many trying to destroy that, and I'm VERY disappointed... Well it depends on how you define a "game." It sounds like you want interactive movies, not games, and different criteria apply. > Strategy in Quake DM: > Spawn. > Get rocket launcher or rail gun. > Hold down the "trigger" key and run around jumping, > until someone kills you. > When someone kills you, repeat. Hehe, well I can tell that you're big-time fragbait, if that's what you think of Quake strategy. I noticed you left out "kill some opposing players" from your description, which is predictable, as people like you who complain about it invariably SUCK at such games, and are just complaining that you're getting your ass handed to you. It takes some work to master, and here's a hint--strategy IS important, it's at least half the reason you're not good at it now... > Honestly, the art in Quake 1 was terrible. Not all of it, not by a long shot. The powerup models were great (Quad/pent), the level desings overall were not too bad (for multiplayer especially), and player model/skin/animation was actually very good for its time, considering the substantial limitations of the low-poly model they had to work with--it had real character and has become a classic. And most of the enemies were really ecellent (ogre, fiend, shambler, vore, for instance) > The textures sucked. Some, but certainly not all. Unfortunately most of the best textures were detail textures of various kinds--either small metal items (floor platest etc.) or large specialty images. You're right though that some of the basic surface textures (some of the brick and ESPECIALLY grass/dirt textures) weren't all that hot. > 2 was no improvement...in fact, a lot of the textures were > WORSE. Oh, I don't know, I like pretty much all of Q2's textures and they're certianly very well made. I've seen a lot of custom Q1 maps using them that look great. They were admittedly too monochromatic, over-relying on colored lights to add interest (which was often overdone to the point of sickly oversaturation), but they're good fundamental textures. And while I don't like the style of the Q2 player nearly as much as the original "Quake guy," their execution is not bad, with smoother, more detailed models. > Q3 was a bit of an improvement, but the textures still > suck, Now here I also disagree, the Q3 textures are really excellent. Invariably very good quality, and not as bland as Q2's. > and the skins and models are still lacking. Heh, well NOW I know for sure that you've never played Q3... > (: Jägermeister :)

Message Index

Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Louis Wu	2/9/00 12:58 p.m.
I think he's nuts	Mark Levin	2/9/00 1:20 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Dead Glory	2/9/00 1:31 p.m.
Ego Man!	Ragnarok	2/9/00 9:21 p.m.
SuperEgo. Hmmm. Freudian slip. (NT)	Dispatcher	2/9/00 11:10 p.m.
Don't bash Carmack	MacFury	2/10/00 12:08 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Ragnarok	2/10/00 12:57 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Maestro	2/10/00 4:30 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 4:57 a.m.
Actually, I think it's anything above 12b or so-nt	David Oosha	2/10/00 7:42 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Ragnarok	2/10/00 1:10 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 1:35 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Mark Levin	2/10/00 2:04 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:00 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 8:06 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Redox	2/10/00 9:42 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Louis Wu	2/12/00 4:52 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:43 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Mark Levin	2/11/00 12:02 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Nijhazer	2/10/00 2:51 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 8:07 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/10/00 2:26 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:06 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/10/00 3:25 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:38 p.m.
UT has better skins, IMHO	MacGuyver	2/10/00 4:54 p.m.
Re: UT has better skins, IMHO	menace	2/10/00 9:46 p.m.
Re: Q3 may have better skins alone...	Mark Levin	2/10/00 10:29 p.m.
good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone...	menace	2/10/00 10:33 p.m.
Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone.	Jägermeister	2/11/00 2:20 p.m.
Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone.	menace	2/13/00 7:38 a.m.
Re: good point Re: Q3 may have better skins alone.	Jägermeister	2/13/00 3:34 p.m.
Cognitive Dissonance	Redox	2/10/00 10:37 p.m.
Re: Cognitive Dissonance	menace	2/10/00 10:53 p.m.
Re: Cognitive Dissonance	Redox	2/10/00 11:04 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/11/00 2:26 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Johnny Rotten	2/11/00 4:43 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/11/00 4:58 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/11/00 11:42 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 6:27 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/13/00 7:52 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/13/00 7:59 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/13/00 11:28 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:30 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	PowerMan	2/10/00 4:46 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:07 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Giule	2/11/00 8:14 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/11/00 10:56 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	8Delicious	2/11/00 11:33 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 6:45 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	8Delicious	2/14/00 7:41 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/10/00 10:04 p.m.
*Sniff* people can be so mean... (NT)	Iku-Turso	2/11/00 12:10 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/11/00 2:15 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/11/00 11:36 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/12/00 2:32 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/12/00 3:44 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/12/00 2:48 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Dan Rudolph	2/12/00 10:49 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/12/00 11:37 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 7:34 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/13/00 7:25 a.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/13/00 3:30 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	menace	2/14/00 2:37 a.m.
Can we grow up now please?	Mark Levin	2/14/00 9:12 a.m.
Not to mention...	Nijhazer	2/14/00 9:24 a.m.
Re: Not to mention...	menace	2/14/00 11:33 a.m.
OT	Nijhazer	2/14/00 12:31 p.m.
thx Re: OT	menace	2/14/00 11:45 p.m.
Re: Don't bash Carmack	Jägermeister	2/14/00 1:32 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Nijhazer	2/9/00 2:22 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Desio	2/9/00 6:30 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	sarwat	2/9/00 2:40 p.m.
Re: I think he's upset	- - [ - - - - - - Tycho - - - - - - ] - -	2/9/00 2:50 p.m.
Errr...	Xian	2/9/00 3:24 p.m.
Re: well crap	- - [ - - - - - - Tycho - - - - - - ] - -	2/9/00 5:56 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Mark Levin	2/9/00 3:33 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–*ß*¬°ßå 7 14 21 28	2/9/00 10:19 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Giule	2/9/00 2:47 p.m.
Re: About Id and Bungie..	Dalan Galma	2/9/00 6:05 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	David Oosha	2/9/00 8:33 p.m.
that guy Carmack	Mad Pad	2/10/00 9:06 a.m.
Re: that guy Carmack	menace	2/10/00 9:03 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Dan Rudolph	2/10/00 12:08 a.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 1:04 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Mark Levin	2/10/00 2:03 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Johnny Rotten	2/10/00 3:14 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Nijhazer	2/10/00 6:00 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Johnny Rotten	2/11/00 12:19 p.m.
Re: I think he's nuts	Nijhazer	2/11/00 12:41 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Br'fin	2/9/00 1:49 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	sarwat	2/9/00 2:30 p.m.
Wolf3D to Pathways? I think UU moreso	menace	2/10/00 8:51 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo, I comment on Carmack	8Delicious	2/9/00 2:19 p.m.
Something that bothers me...	Nijhazer	2/9/00 2:27 p.m.
Re: Something that bothers me...	menace	2/10/00 8:44 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Michael Ash	2/9/00 2:55 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	menace	2/10/00 8:38 p.m.
What do you guys expect him to say?	Xian	2/9/00 3:07 p.m.
Re: What do you guys expect him to say?	8Delicious	2/10/00 6:11 a.m.
Re: What do you guys expect him to say?	menace	2/10/00 8:27 p.m.
Re: What do you guys expect him to say?	8Delicious	2/11/00 10:58 a.m.
That's fair.	Forensic	2/9/00 3:41 p.m.
Re: That's fair.	Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–*ß*¬°ßå 7 14 21 28	2/9/00 10:31 p.m.
Re: That's fair.	menace	2/10/00 8:19 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Devil Warrior	2/9/00 3:55 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	menace	2/10/00 8:16 p.m.
Carmack comments on Halo	AlphaNumeric	2/9/00 8:57 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo	menace	2/10/00 8:10 p.m.
"ID's Mac Shadow"?! He's crazy.	Daniel å•---- Transmission Er®-–*ß*¬°ßå 7 14 21 28	2/9/00 10:15 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Maestro	2/9/00 10:40 p.m.
There are a few other types of games.... NT	Sempiternity	2/10/00 12:23 p.m.
Bungie's Agenda	Br'fin	2/10/00 2:09 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Matt	2/10/00 11:52 a.m.
Werdup!(nt)	Maestro	2/10/00 6:32 p.m.
Re: Carmack comments on Halo... what do you think?	Forensic, Voodoo Extreme version.	2/10/00 9:35 p.m.
Next On Celeberty Deathmach, Caramac VS Jones n/t	Adeamus	2/10/00 10:16 p.m.
Calm Down	Case	2/10/00 8:29 p.m.
I agree, why is everyone getting into a huff? (nt)	Freewill	2/11/00 12:24 a.m.
Cleanse with haiku!	MacGuyver	2/11/00 11:44 a.m.
Cleanse with haiku!	8Delicious	2/11/00 12:50 p.m.
Re: Cleanse with haiku!	Jägermeister	2/11/00 1:20 p.m.
beware of the iamb!	8Delicious	2/11/00 2:48 p.m.
Storied PC FPS:	Ramses II	2/11/00 2:41 a.m.
Re: Storied PC FPS:	Ragnarok	2/11/00 11:14 a.m.
Re: Calm Down	Giule	2/11/00 6:56 a.m.
Re: Calm Down	Giule	2/11/00 6:56 a.m.
Re: Calm Down	Giule	2/11/00 6:58 a.m.
I did not write that...	Jaime	2/11/00 10:03 a.m.
Who are You?	8Delicious	2/11/00 12:35 p.m.
Re: Who are You?	Nijhazer	2/11/00 12:40 p.m.
Re: I did not write that...	Case (non-Bungie)	2/11/00 8:20 p.m.
Apoligezs (Sp?)	Ragnarok	2/11/00 11:22 a.m.