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Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truth
Posted By: scarabDate: 3/24/12 8:37 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truth (Quirel)


: When it comes to fiction, the "Anyone who disagrees with me is an
: idiot" position is a fast way to come across as a jerk.

I am not saying that people are wrong because they disagreed with me on that occasion. I am saying that they were wrong because they were wrong.

Surely you can see the difference.

For example I believe that the chemical formula for water is H2O. Other people may have a different opinion. Those people would be wrong. They wouldn't be wrong because I said so or because they had a different opinion from me. They would be wrong because the chemical formula for water is H2O. You can react 2 moles of hydrogen with one mole of oxygen to produce water. You can weigh the reactants and the product to see that the numbers match.

: You are an
: intelligent young man, scarab, and I know that you can participate in this
: debate without descending to Cody Miller's level.

Poor Cody :-) Sometimes he is right. But its not a matter of opinion that Bungie's intention was that Humans were Forerunners, it is a matter of fact.

As for what 343i has in mind... I'm not sure and I don't really want to speculate. At least I don't feel driven to speculate.

: The Forerunner backstory was never something I followed strongly. I've seen
: dozens of theories as to what our relationship with them is. Direct
: descendants? Distant offshoots? Adopted species?

Well that's all back up in the air post Cryptum.

: Whatever it was, the truth has always been obscured behind vague terms like
: "Mantle" and "Reclaimer." Maybe Spark did call us
: "Forerunner", maybe Bias did refer to us as his
: "Makers". But why does the Beastarium refer to us as Humans? Why
: are we called "Reclaimers"?

Pre-Cryptum? because we are Humans and we are Reclaimers and we are Forerunners. None of those things are mutually exclusive. You can be a European, human, architect.

Those Forerunners who lived after the array activation on Earth were Forerunners. They called themselves Humans (the English speaking ones did) and they were Reclaimers - those who would reclaim the Forerunner stuff/birthright/keys-to-the-array/whatever.

How many titles have you had in your life? Have you been called a guy? a customer? Mister? an engineer? Maybe one day you will be a plaintiff or a defendant, the groom, the husband, a student, an HBOer.

Post-Cryptum? ???

I was snarky because we have had years of people being in denial.

There was a time when people said that only the Chief was a Reclaimer. Then Sparky called Miranda and Johnson Reclaimers and people said that was only because they had sought the index (Reclaimer==anybody who seeks the index). Then CH had thousands of Reclaimer symbols on Harvest and some people said that maybe only some Humans are Reclaimers, we don't know for sure that thousands == all.

MB says that were are his makers, we know that he was made by Forerunners yet people still tried to avoid the obvious.

A Bungie grizzled ancient comes here and tells us what the plan was and people 'forget' that he did that.

I'm annoyed by the sheer amount of energy people have put into denying a simple conclusion and I thought that if I made a fuss then maybe people won't forget in future.


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A record of all OUR lost time. *SP*Joony Joon 3/24/12 2:21 a.m.
     Re: A record of all OUR lost time. *SP*CyberKN 3/24/12 4:58 a.m.
           Re: A record of all OUR lost time. *SP*Gravemind 3/24/12 10:51 a.m.
                 Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthscarab 3/24/12 1:26 p.m.
                       Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthscarab 3/24/12 2:05 p.m.
                             Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthGravemind 3/24/12 2:35 p.m.
                             Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthyakaman 3/24/12 9:58 p.m.
                                   Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthyakaman 3/24/12 10:13 p.m.
                                         Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthscarab 3/25/12 5:06 a.m.
                                               Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthyakaman 3/25/12 10:05 a.m.
                                               Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthMetalingus627 3/25/12 12:22 p.m.
                       Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthJoony Joon 3/24/12 2:46 p.m.
                       Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthGrimBrother IV 3/24/12 2:58 p.m.
                       Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthQuirel 3/24/12 4:32 p.m.
                             Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthscarab 3/24/12 8:37 p.m.
                                   Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthFlynn J Taggart 3/25/12 12:48 a.m.
                                         Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthscarab 3/25/12 5:51 a.m.
                                   Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthSIX min WHISTLE 3/25/12 7:53 p.m.
                                   Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthQuirel 3/25/12 10:56 p.m.
                                         Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthuberfoop 3/26/12 12:23 a.m.
                                         Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthscarab 3/26/12 6:31 p.m.
                       Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthHawaiian Pig 3/25/12 1:58 a.m.
                             Re: Many HBO peeps have blocked out the truthscarab 3/25/12 5:17 a.m.
                       News to meAnton1792 3/26/12 5:07 p.m.
                             Re: News to mescarab 3/26/12 6:57 p.m.
     Re: A record of all OUR lost time. *SP*Mixmasterchief 3/24/12 6:20 a.m.
           Re: A record of all OUR lost time. *SP*Joony Joon 3/24/12 7:58 a.m.



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