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Re: Is that your best response?
Posted By: Stephen L. (SoundEffect) <soundeffect@hotmail.com>	Date: 3/7/10 9:04 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Is that your best response? (scarab) : That is so not a reason to like them. And... : I recognize every Covenant species as sentient and worthy of respect. I : believe that the Golden rule applies to them and any dealings that I would : have with them. : I do not believe for one second that the Covenant species are unable to : recognize us as sentients. They do not mistake us for ants. : They know we have are a technological species, they know our language, can : converse with us, and know how we think. They know THAT we think. They : understand us enough to trade insults and banter during battle. Some : Elites have expressed admiration for us. : The Covenant is a collection of sentients, they are used to meeting aliens : and recognizing them as fellow sentients. Any highly intelligent, : cooperative, social animal needs to have a theory of mind, the ability to : know that another thinks and to guess what another is thinking. You could : not have a successful social, technological, cooperative society without : that ability. All the Covenant species, except perhaps the Hunters and : Drones, fall into the intelligent, social, cooperative category. : I think that everybody knows what I mean when I say intelligent and social. : What I mean by cooperative is that they need to act cooperatively in order : to get things done. Duh! But its more than just multiple pairs of hands : engaged in a task. Its having the ability to negotiate with others. To : understand their needs and motivations so that you can influence : independent minds to get them to do what you want. (As opposed to an : insect society where things are achieved by being of one mind.) : Independent minds are minds that have their own agendas. You need to : negotiate with them to get the most out of them. In order to do that you : need to be able to know/guess how they tick. To know when to use the : carrot and when to use the stick. To know what is the carrot for those : individuals. The Covenant has politics and conniving and scheming between : members of different species. That can only work if the species involved : understand members of the other species. : The members of the Covenant species need that ability in order to work : together successfully. That ability would let them recognize that we were : also like them. We really are not that alien to them. : I can call someone a dog or a worm and I can treat them as less than human. : But lets not make the mistake of thinking that I am genuinely unable to : know the difference. I would be being mendacious, a bad person and : shouldn't be 'understood' or excused for my poor behavior. : The proper understanding of my behavior would be that I was being self : serving and dishonest. I wasn't suggest you have to like the Covenant, even having played through one's eyes, only in the Covenant's outlook on humanity. I just chose ants but it could be flies or mosquitoes, or whatever. This is an excerpt from The Flood novel illustrating what I was getting at: "He fought a moment of revulsion. That these filthy primates somehow merited an actual name—let alone names for their inferior constructs—galled him to his core. It was perverse. Names implied legitimacy, and the vermin deserved only extermination. The humans had “names” for his own kind—“Elites”—as well as the lesser races of the Covenant: “Jackals,” “Grunts,” “Hunters.” The appalling temerity of the filthy creatures, that they would dare name his people with their harsh, barbaric tongue, was beyond the pale." Now this is one induividual Elite's opinion, but it's established that any of the Covenant (mostly Elites, Prophets, and Brutes) have similar outlooks regarding humans.

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*rofl*	Shishka	3/3/10 12:07 p.m.
HBO: Shishka was Right (in 2003) *NM*	Louis Wu	3/3/10 12:54 p.m.
HBO: Its a Roland Map. *NM*	Hyokin	3/3/10 1:50 p.m.
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Re: *rofl*	Xmoosev3	3/7/10 8:22 a.m.
Another classic Shishka chestnut from yester-year	Druff	3/3/10 2:25 p.m.
Wow!	bluerunner	3/3/10 2:31 p.m.
Re: Another classic Shishka chestnut from yester-y	ICDedPpl	3/3/10 2:32 p.m.
Re: Another classic Shishka chestnut from yester-y	AngelicLionheart	3/3/10 2:42 p.m.
Re: Another classic Shishka chestnut from yester-y	sharpsniper99	3/3/10 2:53 p.m.
Re: Another classic Shishka chestnut from yester-y	Jillybean	3/3/10 3:17 p.m.
Re: Another classic Shishka chestnut from yester-y	sharpsniper99	3/3/10 3:24 p.m.
Re: Another classic Shishka chestnut from yester-y	Jillybean	3/3/10 3:26 p.m.
Re: Another classic Shishka chestnut from yester-y	Hyokin	3/3/10 3:48 p.m.
Yeah, he was definitely right on...	stan	3/3/10 4:24 p.m.
i liked the arbiter :(	hunt3r	3/3/10 5:54 p.m.
Re: i liked the arbiter :(	Metalingus627	3/3/10 7:05 p.m.
Re: i liked the arbiter :(	Arithmomaniac	3/3/10 8:36 p.m.
Re: i liked the arbiter :(	scarab	3/4/10 2:53 p.m.
Re: i liked the arbiter :(	RC Master	3/4/10 3:27 p.m.
Is that your best response?	scarab	3/4/10 3:47 p.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	RC Master	3/6/10 8:55 a.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	scarab	3/6/10 10:39 a.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	Metalingus627	3/6/10 3:48 p.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	Louis Wu	3/6/10 3:53 p.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	Metalingus627	3/6/10 4:02 p.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	GryphonOsiris	3/7/10 4:08 a.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	Harmanimus	3/7/10 7:45 a.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	Louis Wu	3/7/10 9:24 a.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	Harmanimus	3/7/10 10:40 a.m.
Non-secular Covenant	scarab	3/7/10 3:29 p.m.
Space abattoirs	scarab	3/7/10 3:08 p.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	scarab	3/6/10 5:59 p.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	Silent Knight	3/7/10 12:05 a.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	Metalingus627	3/7/10 5:06 a.m.
Also	Metalingus627	3/7/10 5:22 a.m.
Re: Also	Silent Knight	3/7/10 5:32 a.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	3/7/10 10:44 a.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	scarab	3/7/10 3:57 p.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	3/7/10 9:04 p.m.
Re: Is that your best response?	scarab	3/8/10 3:20 p.m.
Re: i liked the arbiter :(	General Vagueness	3/7/10 9:44 p.m.
Re: i liked the arbiter :(	Fil Storamee	3/8/10 2:47 a.m.
Elites need to be Ferocious	DEEP NNN	3/8/10 6:19 a.m.
Re: Elites need to be Ferocious	Gilver	3/8/10 11:28 a.m.
Re: why people hated the arbiter	Ze Moose	3/6/10 7:01 p.m.
Re: why people hated the arbiter	scarab	3/6/10 7:11 p.m.
Re: why people hated the arbiter	scarab	3/6/10 7:13 p.m.
BOOO!!!!	RC Master	3/3/10 7:44 p.m.
Yeah, but...	stan	3/3/10 8:36 p.m.
Re: Yeah, but...	RC Master	3/3/10 8:58 p.m.
Re: Yeah, but...	Hedgemony	3/3/10 9:10 p.m.
I've always found this to be a pretty good metric	Eiii	3/3/10 9:36 p.m.
Here's my take...	stan	3/3/10 10:39 p.m.
Re: Here's my take...	Hedgemony	3/3/10 10:48 p.m.
Re: Here's my take...	Eiii	3/4/10 12:35 a.m.
Re: I've always found this to be a pretty good met	sharpsniper99	3/4/10 3:23 a.m.
Hey look!	Eiii	3/5/10 11:51 a.m.
Wait, you're serious?	Bones153	3/6/10 4:37 p.m.
Re: I've always found this to be a pretty good met	Cody Miller	3/6/10 4:42 p.m.
I'm right there with you.	Silent Knight	3/6/10 5:22 p.m.
Re: I'm right there with you.	Hedgemony	3/6/10 5:57 p.m.
Re: I'm right there with you.	Hikaru-119	3/6/10 6:13 p.m.
Re: I'm right there with you.	scarab	3/6/10 6:34 p.m.
Re: Yeah, he was definitely right on...	DEEP NNN	3/3/10 8:58 p.m.
Re: Yeah, he was definitely right on...	Archilen	3/4/10 12:53 a.m.
Re: Yeah, he was definitely right on...	DHalo	3/7/10 12:35 p.m.
Re: Yeah, he was definitely right on...	RC Master	3/7/10 2:06 p.m.
Re: Yeah, he was definitely right on...	DHalo	3/7/10 2:48 p.m.
Pretty sure he was kidding. *NM*	iMonkey777	3/3/10 3:43 p.m.
Yeah. Right. *NM* *NM*	Druff	3/3/10 3:52 p.m.
He really did 180 on that :-) *NM*	scarab	3/3/10 7:17 p.m.
Re: Another classic Shishka chestnut from yester-y	The Se7enth Prophet	3/3/10 3:17 p.m.
That's a burn. *NM*	BlueNinja	3/3/10 4:06 p.m.
Doesn't Count.	Shishka	3/3/10 4:18 p.m.
Re: Doesn't Count.	Druff	3/3/10 4:24 p.m.
Re: Doesn't Count.	sharpsniper99	3/3/10 4:31 p.m.
Re: Doesn't Count.	Druff	3/3/10 5:29 p.m.
Re: Doesn't Count.	sharpsniper99	3/3/10 6:15 p.m.