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Posted By: Miguel Chavez	Date: 10/2/09 11:48 p.m.
In Response To: Dude where's my AI (Narcogen) : Oh yeah. And what was that final solution again? Funny, nobody ever tells us. : Think she was bluffing? : It's not written anywhere. However, it is awfully common that when people try : to write strong female characters, what they end up with is bitchy. It is : arguable whether that is because most audiences perceive strong females as : being bitchy, or because the only way many writers know how to express : "strong" together with "female" ends up looking to : them like "bitchy". : Yes and no. She negated her efforts by hesitating, when it really wasn't : necessary. However I'd say her failure is less personal than it is a : symbol for the way the Chief and humanity have gone about addressing the : Flood and Covenant problems since the first game-- first rescue your : friends, then deal with the threat to humanity in particular and the : galaxy in general. Even when the best solution is to cut right to the : chase. If Keyes had managed to take out Truth and Johnson with the Pelican : the problem is solved, at least as far as humanity and the galaxy are : concerned (or at least until Gravemind pops up again). But instead she : risks not only herself but her entire species in order to attempt to save : one individual-- and so ends up failing to achieve anything. : Of course the Chief conveniently escapes this trap for two reasons: one, his : rescue of Cortana is more necessary than Keyes' rescue of Johnson (after : all, he needs the Index to fire 04a, whereas all Keyes really needed to do : to foil Truth was to kill him and/or Johnson, as well as herself if : necessary) and the Chief of course succeeds where Keyes fails. : The original article might be a bit over the top (as a lot of ideological : tracts are, regardless of perspective) but it's not that far off the mark. : Whatever else Bungie may have been able to do with its storytelling, : breaking out of some of the conventions that limit the kinds of roles that : are acceptable for women within action/science fiction scenarios isn't : really one of them. : Taylor's vocal performance as Cortana I think maintained a pretty high level : throughout the series. I think the oversexualization of her visual : presentation was sort of childish, unnecessary, and did little to promote : the "Halo as love story" interpretation. Of all her visual : incarnations I still prefer the one from Halo 1, and I think it fits her : personality better. Some of the story elements that would have fleshed her : out more fully in a non-visual way were either abandoned after the first : game or relegated to the novels. Cortana as a character powerful enough to : be a threat to the player, if she should so choose, really only exists in : the first game. After that, Bungie abandoned it (as they largely abandoned : Rampancy). The effect of Gravemind on Cortana, which could have been : menacing and frightening, instead was used in a rather traditional : damsel-in-distress way. I think it was well-executed, but you certainly : can't call it feminist, and in many ways is less interesting than what : Bungie could have done. I think it ended up being far more traditional : than it might have been if it wasn't the flagship title on the console : venture of one of the world's largest and most paranoid companies. another good one

Message Index

lol feminism	Cody Miller	10/2/09 12:03 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	Eiii	10/2/09 12:34 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	Phat Bob	10/2/09 12:48 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	slothboy	10/2/09 12:56 p.m.
Dude	Jillybean	10/2/09 12:59 p.m.
Beat me to it	Eiii	10/2/09 1:00 p.m.
Re: Dude	slothboy	10/2/09 1:08 p.m.
Re: Dude	Eiii	10/2/09 1:10 p.m.
Re: Dude	slothboy	10/2/09 1:19 p.m.
Re: Dude	Bry	10/2/09 1:22 p.m.
Re: Dude	Eiii	10/2/09 1:25 p.m.
Re: Dude	slothboy	10/2/09 1:33 p.m.
Re: Dude	Bry	10/2/09 2:12 p.m.
Does anybody like Miranda? *NM*	scarab	10/3/09 6:24 a.m.
Re: Dude	kanbo	10/2/09 3:09 p.m.
This is a good post	Miguel Chavez	10/2/09 11:48 p.m.
Her leader power is frigidity! Nuff Said *NM*	scarab	10/3/09 6:25 a.m.
Dude where's my AI	Narcogen	10/2/09 9:36 p.m.
This is a good post	Miguel Chavez	10/2/09 11:48 p.m.
I agree	Jillybean	10/3/09 4:38 a.m.
Re: Excellently put	ThorsHammer	10/3/09 10:30 a.m.
In response to the article	Dustbunny27	10/3/09 4:49 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	slothboy	10/2/09 12:51 p.m.
Re: lol feminism *poss SP	Bry	10/2/09 1:04 p.m.
But she needed help! That's weak! *NM*	Eiii	10/2/09 1:12 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	kanbo	10/2/09 12:54 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	slothboy	10/2/09 12:58 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	Dojorkan	10/2/09 1:32 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	General Vagueness	10/2/09 12:57 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	Captain Spark	10/2/09 1:01 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	Jillybean	10/2/09 1:11 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	Eiii	10/2/09 1:24 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	Jillybean	10/2/09 1:31 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	Eiii	10/2/09 2:05 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	General Vagueness	10/2/09 2:22 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	kanbo	10/2/09 3:12 p.m.
Can't rape what isn't there! *NM*	Eiii	10/2/09 3:40 p.m.
Re: Can't rape what isn't there!	Hawaiian Pig	10/2/09 4:55 p.m.
Re: Can't rape what isn't there!	Ze Moose	10/2/09 5:31 p.m.
Re: Can't rape what isn't there!	Jillybean	10/2/09 6:37 p.m.
Re: Can't rape what isn't there!	Hawaiian Pig	10/2/09 6:57 p.m.
Re: Can't rape what isn't there!	Jillybean	10/2/09 7:07 p.m.
Re: Can't rape what isn't there!	ThorsHammer	10/3/09 11:05 a.m.
Re: lol feminism	Captain Spark	10/2/09 2:32 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	Miguel Chavez	10/2/09 4:18 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	General Vagueness	10/2/09 4:48 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	Captain Spark	10/2/09 6:17 p.m.
Re: END THIS THREAD PLEASE	Hedgemony	10/2/09 6:36 p.m.
Re: END THIS THREAD PLEASE	Eiii	10/2/09 7:09 p.m.
Re: END THIS THREAD PLEASE	Cody Miller	10/2/09 7:23 p.m.
r-really? *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	10/2/09 7:29 p.m.
You are dumb *NM*	Eiii	10/2/09 7:30 p.m.
Oh crap now it just looks like I'm agreeing with h *NM*	Eiii	10/2/09 7:34 p.m.
with hp, captain handsome awesome. *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	10/2/09 7:45 p.m.
Re:Cody	Hedgemony	10/2/09 7:57 p.m.
Re:Cody	Cody Miller	10/2/09 8:08 p.m.
Re:Cody who?	Hedgemony	10/2/09 8:51 p.m.
Re:Cody who?	Hawaiian Pig	10/2/09 9:08 p.m.
Re:Cody who?	Hawaiian Pig	10/2/09 9:13 p.m.
Re:Cody	Hedgemony	10/2/09 9:53 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	UNSC_Trooper	10/2/09 1:12 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	Jillybean	10/2/09 1:14 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	UNSC_Trooper	10/2/09 1:27 p.m.
lol equality for all	Jillybean	10/2/09 1:51 p.m.
Re: lol equality for all	UNSC_Trooper	10/2/09 2:32 p.m.
please	General Vagueness	10/2/09 4:54 p.m.
Re: please	Hawaiian Pig	10/2/09 4:57 p.m.
Re: lol equality for all	Hunt3r	10/2/09 2:39 p.m.
Re: lol equality for all	Cody Miller	10/2/09 2:42 p.m.
Re: lol equality for all	kanbo	10/2/09 3:03 p.m.
Re: lol equality for all	Jillybean	10/2/09 6:22 p.m.
Re: lol equality for all	DHalo	10/2/09 6:39 p.m.
Re: lol equality for all	Jillybean	10/2/09 6:19 p.m.
Re: lol equality for all	Photolysis	10/2/09 3:16 p.m.
For her next article...	Bones153	10/2/09 4:41 p.m.
Re: For her next article...	Eiii	10/2/09 5:41 p.m.
That's sarcasm, right? *NM* *NM*	Bones153	10/2/09 5:45 p.m.
I am totally guilty of this	Jillybean	10/2/09 6:24 p.m.
Re: I am totally guilty of this	Hawaiian Pig	10/2/09 6:35 p.m.
Re: I am totally guilty of this	Jillybean	10/2/09 6:38 p.m.
Re: I am totally guilty of this	Tex	10/2/09 6:46 p.m.
Stop helping me *NM*	Jillybean	10/2/09 6:51 p.m.
I wish I could quit you.	Tex	10/2/09 6:56 p.m.
Re: I wish I could quit you.	Jillybean	10/2/09 7:08 p.m.
Re: I am totally guilty of this	Cody Miller	10/2/09 6:47 p.m.
Re: I am totally guilty of this	Miguel Chavez	10/3/09 12:42 a.m.
Re: I am totally guilty of this	Cthulhu117	10/3/09 11:32 a.m.
People think Dare was sexualized? LOL!	Dustbunny27	10/3/09 11:27 a.m.
Re: People think Dare was sexualized? LOL!	Jillybean	10/3/09 3:10 p.m.
Re: People think Dare was sexualized? LOL!	Dustbunny27	10/3/09 3:37 p.m.
Re: lol feminism	psychophan7	10/3/09 11:37 a.m.
I have a hard time grasping this, personally *IMG*	Leviathan	10/3/09 12:18 p.m.
Serious Question for the ladies... or maybe men	Dustbunny27	10/3/09 2:23 p.m.
Re: Serious Question for the ladies... or maybe me	Leviathan	10/3/09 3:02 p.m.
Okay, make a game for everyone then.	Dustbunny27	10/3/09 3:34 p.m.
Re: Okay, make a game for everyone then.	Leviathan	10/3/09 5:50 p.m.
A couple that stand out for me	Jillybean	10/3/09 3:16 p.m.
Re: A couple that stand out for me	Cody Miller	10/3/09 4:01 p.m.
Re: A couple that stand out for me	Jillybean	10/3/09 4:40 p.m.
Re: Serious Question for the ladies... or maybe me	Document	10/4/09 12:17 a.m.