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lol equality for all
Posted By: Jillybean <jillybean@bungie.org>Date: 10/2/09 1:51 p.m.

In Response To: lol feminism (Cody Miller)


Hands up in surrender, I am someone who likes to analyse media for themes. It doesn't matter if it's intentional or not, I really enjoy seeing what writers portray. I've previously been quite positive about Bungie in the context of the gaming industry.

There are problems with Bungie games. Halo 3 is very tainted for me because of the Cortana storyline. I find it very uncomfortable to play, I associate Cortana's experience with rape. If you don't, then I'm glad that you're mind's more positively set than I am, but when I see a male character in a position of power over a female, causing her pain and emotional distress, I worry about the next step being rape. Maybe that says more about me than the game's creators - that's what this kind of analysis is all about.

Getting away from rape, because it is so controversial and emotional, let's talk about Dare. I agree with you, lots of the issues stem from her being ONI rather than a woman. The love story is an excess of society in general, not Bungie's fault for including it. Sadie, although irritating, is a very redeemable character too. I still think Bungie does quite well.

But I think Bungie does quite well in an industry fueled by young men, many of whom don't socialise with women to the extent that they would consider a 'normal' socialisation. The whole games industry treats women either as disposable pleasures or as unattainable bitches. Complaining because someone has the nerve to suggest there may be problems with this attitude (And how dare they use your pet game to try and get some hits) just goes to show we're not nearly thinking about this enough.


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lol feminismCody Miller 10/2/09 12:03 p.m.
     Re: lol feminismEiii 10/2/09 12:34 p.m.
           Re: lol feminismPhat Bob 10/2/09 12:48 p.m.
                 Re: lol feminismslothboy 10/2/09 12:56 p.m.
                       DudeJillybean 10/2/09 12:59 p.m.
                             Beat me to itEiii 10/2/09 1:00 p.m.
                             Re: Dudeslothboy 10/2/09 1:08 p.m.
                                   Re: DudeEiii 10/2/09 1:10 p.m.
                                         Re: Dudeslothboy 10/2/09 1:19 p.m.
                                               Re: DudeBry 10/2/09 1:22 p.m.
                                                     Re: DudeEiii 10/2/09 1:25 p.m.
                                                     Re: Dudeslothboy 10/2/09 1:33 p.m.
                                                           Re: DudeBry 10/2/09 2:12 p.m.
                                                                 Does anybody like Miranda? *NM*scarab 10/3/09 6:24 a.m.
                                                           Re: Dudekanbo 10/2/09 3:09 p.m.
                                                                 This is a good postMiguel Chavez 10/2/09 11:48 p.m.
                                                                 Her leader power is frigidity! Nuff Said *NM*scarab 10/3/09 6:25 a.m.
                                   Dude where's my AINarcogen 10/2/09 9:36 p.m.
                                         This is a good postMiguel Chavez 10/2/09 11:48 p.m.
                                               I agreeJillybean 10/3/09 4:38 a.m.
                                         Re: Excellently putThorsHammer 10/3/09 10:30 a.m.
           In response to the articleDustbunny27 10/3/09 4:49 p.m.
     Re: lol feminismslothboy 10/2/09 12:51 p.m.
           Re: lol feminism *poss SPBry 10/2/09 1:04 p.m.
                 But she needed help! That's weak! *NM*Eiii 10/2/09 1:12 p.m.
     Re: lol feminismkanbo 10/2/09 12:54 p.m.
           Re: lol feminismslothboy 10/2/09 12:58 p.m.
           Re: lol feminismDojorkan 10/2/09 1:32 p.m.
     Re: lol feminismGeneral Vagueness 10/2/09 12:57 p.m.
     Re: lol feminismCaptain Spark 10/2/09 1:01 p.m.
           Re: lol feminismJillybean 10/2/09 1:11 p.m.
                 Re: lol feminismEiii 10/2/09 1:24 p.m.
                       Re: lol feminismJillybean 10/2/09 1:31 p.m.
                             Re: lol feminismEiii 10/2/09 2:05 p.m.
                             Re: lol feminismGeneral Vagueness 10/2/09 2:22 p.m.
                                   Re: lol feminismkanbo 10/2/09 3:12 p.m.
                                         Can't rape what isn't there! *NM*Eiii 10/2/09 3:40 p.m.
                                               Re: Can't rape what isn't there!Hawaiian Pig 10/2/09 4:55 p.m.
                                                     Re: Can't rape what isn't there!Ze Moose 10/2/09 5:31 p.m.
                                                     Re: Can't rape what isn't there!Jillybean 10/2/09 6:37 p.m.
                                                           Re: Can't rape what isn't there!Hawaiian Pig 10/2/09 6:57 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Can't rape what isn't there!Jillybean 10/2/09 7:07 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Can't rape what isn't there!ThorsHammer 10/3/09 11:05 a.m.
                 Re: lol feminismCaptain Spark 10/2/09 2:32 p.m.
                       Re: lol feminismMiguel Chavez 10/2/09 4:18 p.m.
                             Re: lol feminismGeneral Vagueness 10/2/09 4:48 p.m.
                             Re: lol feminismCaptain Spark 10/2/09 6:17 p.m.
                             Re: END THIS THREAD PLEASEHedgemony 10/2/09 6:36 p.m.
                                   Re: END THIS THREAD PLEASEEiii 10/2/09 7:09 p.m.
                                   Re: END THIS THREAD PLEASECody Miller 10/2/09 7:23 p.m.
                                         r-really? *NM*Hawaiian Pig 10/2/09 7:29 p.m.
                                         You are dumb *NM*Eiii 10/2/09 7:30 p.m.
                                               Oh crap now it just looks like I'm agreeing with h *NM*Eiii 10/2/09 7:34 p.m.
                                                     with hp, captain handsome awesome. *NM*Hawaiian Pig 10/2/09 7:45 p.m.
                                         Re:CodyHedgemony 10/2/09 7:57 p.m.
                                               Re:CodyCody Miller 10/2/09 8:08 p.m.
                                                     Re:Cody who?Hedgemony 10/2/09 8:51 p.m.
                                                           Re:Cody who?Hawaiian Pig 10/2/09 9:08 p.m.
                                                                 Re:Cody who?Hawaiian Pig 10/2/09 9:13 p.m.
                                                                       Re:CodyHedgemony 10/2/09 9:53 p.m.
           Re: lol feminismUNSC_Trooper 10/2/09 1:12 p.m.
                 Re: lol feminismJillybean 10/2/09 1:14 p.m.
                       Re: lol feminismUNSC_Trooper 10/2/09 1:27 p.m.
     lol equality for allJillybean 10/2/09 1:51 p.m.
           Re: lol equality for allUNSC_Trooper 10/2/09 2:32 p.m.
                 pleaseGeneral Vagueness 10/2/09 4:54 p.m.
                       Re: pleaseHawaiian Pig 10/2/09 4:57 p.m.
           Re: lol equality for allHunt3r 10/2/09 2:39 p.m.
           Re: lol equality for allCody Miller 10/2/09 2:42 p.m.
                 Re: lol equality for allkanbo 10/2/09 3:03 p.m.
                       Re: lol equality for allJillybean 10/2/09 6:22 p.m.
                             Re: lol equality for allDHalo 10/2/09 6:39 p.m.
                 Re: lol equality for allJillybean 10/2/09 6:19 p.m.
           Re: lol equality for allPhotolysis 10/2/09 3:16 p.m.
     For her next article...Bones153 10/2/09 4:41 p.m.
           Re: For her next article...Eiii 10/2/09 5:41 p.m.
                 That's sarcasm, right? *NM* *NM*Bones153 10/2/09 5:45 p.m.
           I am totally guilty of thisJillybean 10/2/09 6:24 p.m.
                 Re: I am totally guilty of thisHawaiian Pig 10/2/09 6:35 p.m.
                       Re: I am totally guilty of thisJillybean 10/2/09 6:38 p.m.
                             Re: I am totally guilty of thisTex 10/2/09 6:46 p.m.
                                   Stop helping me *NM*Jillybean 10/2/09 6:51 p.m.
                                         I wish I could quit you.Tex 10/2/09 6:56 p.m.
                                               Re: I wish I could quit you.Jillybean 10/2/09 7:08 p.m.
                             Re: I am totally guilty of thisCody Miller 10/2/09 6:47 p.m.
                 Re: I am totally guilty of thisMiguel Chavez 10/3/09 12:42 a.m.
                       Re: I am totally guilty of thisCthulhu117 10/3/09 11:32 a.m.
     People think Dare was sexualized? LOL!Dustbunny27 10/3/09 11:27 a.m.
           Re: People think Dare was sexualized? LOL!Jillybean 10/3/09 3:10 p.m.
                 Re: People think Dare was sexualized? LOL!Dustbunny27 10/3/09 3:37 p.m.
     Re: lol feminismpsychophan7 10/3/09 11:37 a.m.
     I have a hard time grasping this, personally *IMG*Leviathan 10/3/09 12:18 p.m.
     Serious Question for the ladies... or maybe menDustbunny27 10/3/09 2:23 p.m.
           Re: Serious Question for the ladies... or maybe meLeviathan 10/3/09 3:02 p.m.
                 Okay, make a game for everyone then.Dustbunny27 10/3/09 3:34 p.m.
                       Re: Okay, make a game for everyone then.Leviathan 10/3/09 5:50 p.m.
           A couple that stand out for meJillybean 10/3/09 3:16 p.m.
                 Re: A couple that stand out for meCody Miller 10/3/09 4:01 p.m.
                       Re: A couple that stand out for meJillybean 10/3/09 4:40 p.m.
           Re: Serious Question for the ladies... or maybe meDocument 10/4/09 12:17 a.m.



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