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Re: Damn, Sept.

Posted By: Shishka Date: 10/2/06 12:16 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Damn, Sept. (Narcogen)

: [snip]
: I pretty much agree with everything you said up top, but I'm inspired to ask,
: since you've chosen to phrase your answer this way: So the Halo movie
: could suck, and we wouldn't know yet because you're not telling us?
That's one way of looking at it. My point was, regardless of whether it is going to break the chain of bad video game movies, or reveal that said chain could never be broken, right now you guys have no idea. As such? The only thing you'll get by worrying about it is wrinkles.
: Just worth mentioning here: Unless one was a motivated fan who read fansites
: and read the manual cover to cover and frequented the forum and read the
: novels, it is entirely possible to play through all of Halo 1, and be
: paying attention, and not know this about the Covenant.
: If you know that in advance, then a lot of things make more sense than
: otherwise. But I can see where some people who didn't get this information
: through other channels were blindsided when Halo 2 came around and all of
: a sudden we could understand Elites and we got a full and complete
: exposure to their religious culture.
: I think that's just a natural consequence of the way the story unfolds, but I
: can see people being surprised by it.
Sure. That particular comment was directed at the guy that started the thread.
Speaking of, since there was a brief debate about use of the word "men," I'd like to point out that one of the reasons I am not very big on fan fiction is because fanfic authors tend to try too hard to sound authentic. Essentially, they're trying so hard to make like they're accomplished authors with expertise in the Halo universe that they tend to write only for themselves, or rather, only for people that read Halo fanfiction. It'd be like Blizzard releasing a Warcraft Novel where they describe how powerful Shishka, Dark Warlock of The Burning Legion and Keeper of the Pants of Shadow is by calling him "Level 60."
Put yourself in the situation. You're surrounded by monsters you've never seen before. Your team is falling dead left and right-- and then getting back up again as new enemies. Time is short and that damn Legate is being a pissant. Chances are you're not going to take a moment to pick honorifics out of a hat. You're going to go with the shortest word that comes to mind because you don't have time for formal crap.
I discussed this here before, I think. Science Fiction often falls prey to devices that make it difficult to relate to the characters or story therein. Fanfiction is especially guilty of this, though I tend to think that authors are in general unaware of it. Why use "men" instead of some other word? Because it's quick, clean, and just as effective as any other word you could use. The longer you draw out the sentence by using more "appropriate" words, the more you take away the urgency Spec-Ops Commander is feeling, and the more the reader loses grasp of that same urgency. Sure, elites aren't human, so perhaps the male of the species cannot be called "men," but you won't see a human drill sergeant making exceptions because there's women in bootcamp. The word is not the point.
-S

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Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo film MarineCorps117 10/1/06 4:42 p.m.

Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil Grunt_Lover 10/1/06 5:18 p.m.

Um. Peptuck 10/1/06 5:42 p.m.

Re: Um. Sep7imus [subnova] 10/1/06 5:43 p.m.

worst typo ever *NM* Document 10/1/06 6:37 p.m.

Worst? or best? *NM* Peptuck 10/1/06 6:54 p.m.

Best Placed *NM* Unsc Trafalgar 10/1/06 6:59 p.m.

Re: worst typo ever Sep7imus [subnova] 10/1/06 7:05 p.m.

Damn, Sept. Shishka 10/1/06 7:12 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Sep7imus [subnova] 10/1/06 7:37 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. MarineCorps117 10/1/06 7:37 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. raptor117 10/1/06 7:51 p.m.

"racism in science fiction" *NM* Document 10/1/06 8:27 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/1/06 8:08 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Count Zero 10/1/06 8:10 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/1/06 8:14 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Sir Blunt 10/1/06 8:12 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Peptuck 10/1/06 8:37 p.m.

I've got a word Hikaru-119 10/1/06 8:51 p.m.

Re: I've got a word Peptuck 10/1/06 8:55 p.m.

Re: I've got a word Schedonnardus 10/1/06 8:55 p.m.

Re: I've got a word Sep7imus [subnova] 10/1/06 9:48 p.m.

Re: I've got a word Schedonnardus 10/1/06 10:12 p.m.

in that spirit: troops. *NM* Document 10/1/06 11:19 p.m.

Re: in that spirit: troops. Andrew Nagy 10/1/06 11:21 p.m.

Re: in that spirit: troops. ShortRoundMcfly 10/2/06 12:43 a.m.

Re: in that spirit: troops. Document 10/2/06 12:45 a.m.

Re: I've got a word HipboyScott 10/1/06 10:29 p.m.

the dude abides *NM* Schedonnardus 10/1/06 10:40 p.m.

Re: I've got a word Peptuck 10/1/06 10:42 p.m.

dude, where's my dropship? *NM* Schedonnardus 10/1/06 10:44 p.m.

Flood's in your base, killing your d00ds. *NM* Peptuck 10/1/06 11:38 p.m.

Soylent Green is d00dz! *NM* Schedonnardus 10/1/06 11:54 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Gordon Freeman 10/1/06 9:23 p.m.

Hmm Hawaiian Pig 10/1/06 8:19 p.m.

*sheds a tear* Hikaru-119 10/1/06 8:40 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Cody Miller 10/1/06 10:14 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. mercury 10/2/06 5:49 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Narcogen 10/1/06 10:27 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Shishka 10/2/06 12:16 a.m.

I fully disagree... DanteThePoet 10/2/06 12:51 a.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Endbringer 10/2/06 1:03 a.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/2/06 10:28 a.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Narcogen 10/3/06 12:39 a.m.

Here here. As shishka said.. have faith! *NM* Littlebigman 10/1/06 11:08 p.m.

Re: Damn, Sept. Brodingo 10/2/06 4:45 p.m.

Oy. MarineCorps117 10/2/06 5:19 p.m.

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Its all about the Benjamins BeastIce 10/1/06 6:07 p.m.

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Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil Peptuck 10/1/06 8:39 p.m.

that's easy GhaleonEB 10/1/06 7:10 p.m.

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Re: Yeah, man ShortRoundMcfly 10/1/06 11:59 p.m.

Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil Rox 10/2/06 3:04 a.m.

Go outside sometime. *NM* Paul 10/2/06 1:23 a.m.

Always half empty with some *NM* Grey Wolf 10/2/06 2:07 a.m.

Dual-wielding shotguns = Marathon Chryton 10/2/06 3:21 a.m.

Here's a novel concept... yakaman 10/2/06 7:26 a.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... mnemesis 10/2/06 10:56 a.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... Baz 10/2/06 11:03 a.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... Marine Corps 117 10/2/06 1:25 p.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/2/06 1:47 p.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... Louis Wu 10/2/06 1:53 p.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... Document 10/2/06 1:54 p.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... mercury 10/2/06 2:05 p.m.

Agreed. *NM* Document 10/2/06 2:18 p.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... MarineCorps117 10/2/06 2:58 p.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... Sep7imus [subnova] 10/2/06 3:25 p.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... Peptuck 10/2/06 3:49 p.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... Sep7imus [subnova] 10/2/06 4:19 p.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... yakaman 10/2/06 4:19 p.m.

Re: Here's a novel concept... [AMS] GreyThor 10/2/06 4:26 p.m.

question for the Bungie guys Angel_251 10/2/06 3:04 p.m.

Re: question for the Bungie guys Sep7imus [subnova] 10/2/06 3:27 p.m.

Re: question for the Bungie guys Angel_251 10/2/06 4:04 p.m.

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Re: question for the Bungie guys Angel_251 10/2/06 4:05 p.m.

Re: question for the Bungie guys KP 10/2/06 4:51 p.m.

I guess you missed the memo... *NM* Usul 10/2/06 5:06 p.m.

Re: question for the Bungie guys Ross Mills [subnova] 10/2/06 5:40 p.m.

Re: question for the Bungie guys mercury 10/2/06 5:42 p.m.

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Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil Twelve Large 10/3/06 12:33 a.m.

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Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo film	MarineCorps117	10/1/06 4:42 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	Grunt_Lover	10/1/06 5:18 p.m.
Um.	Peptuck	10/1/06 5:42 p.m.
Re: Um.	Sep7imus [subnova]	10/1/06 5:43 p.m.
worst typo ever NM	Document	10/1/06 6:37 p.m.
Worst? or best? NM	Peptuck	10/1/06 6:54 p.m.
Best Placed NM	Unsc Trafalgar	10/1/06 6:59 p.m.
Re: worst typo ever	Sep7imus [subnova]	10/1/06 7:05 p.m.
Damn, Sept.	Shishka	10/1/06 7:12 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Sep7imus [subnova]	10/1/06 7:37 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	MarineCorps117	10/1/06 7:37 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	raptor117	10/1/06 7:51 p.m.
"racism in science fiction" NM	Document	10/1/06 8:27 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	10/1/06 8:08 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Count Zero	10/1/06 8:10 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	10/1/06 8:14 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Sir Blunt	10/1/06 8:12 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Peptuck	10/1/06 8:37 p.m.
I've got a word	Hikaru-119	10/1/06 8:51 p.m.
Re: I've got a word	Peptuck	10/1/06 8:55 p.m.
Re: I've got a word	Schedonnardus	10/1/06 8:55 p.m.
Re: I've got a word	Sep7imus [subnova]	10/1/06 9:48 p.m.
Re: I've got a word	Schedonnardus	10/1/06 10:12 p.m.
in that spirit: troops. NM	Document	10/1/06 11:19 p.m.
Re: in that spirit: troops.	Andrew Nagy	10/1/06 11:21 p.m.
Re: in that spirit: troops.	ShortRoundMcfly	10/2/06 12:43 a.m.
Re: in that spirit: troops.	Document	10/2/06 12:45 a.m.
Re: I've got a word	HipboyScott	10/1/06 10:29 p.m.
the dude abides NM	Schedonnardus	10/1/06 10:40 p.m.
Re: I've got a word	Peptuck	10/1/06 10:42 p.m.
dude, where's my dropship? NM	Schedonnardus	10/1/06 10:44 p.m.
Flood's in your base, killing your d00ds. NM	Peptuck	10/1/06 11:38 p.m.
Soylent Green is d00dz! NM	Schedonnardus	10/1/06 11:54 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Gordon Freeman	10/1/06 9:23 p.m.
Hmm	Hawaiian Pig	10/1/06 8:19 p.m.
sheds a tear	Hikaru-119	10/1/06 8:40 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Cody Miller	10/1/06 10:14 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	mercury	10/2/06 5:49 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Narcogen	10/1/06 10:27 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Shishka	10/2/06 12:16 a.m.
I fully disagree...	DanteThePoet	10/2/06 12:51 a.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Endbringer	10/2/06 1:03 a.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	10/2/06 10:28 a.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Narcogen	10/3/06 12:39 a.m.
Here here. As shishka said.. have faith! NM	Littlebigman	10/1/06 11:08 p.m.
Re: Damn, Sept.	Brodingo	10/2/06 4:45 p.m.
Oy.	MarineCorps117	10/2/06 5:19 p.m.
Re: Oy.	mercury	10/2/06 5:37 p.m.
Re: Oy.	MarineCorps117	10/2/06 6:24 p.m.
Re: Oy.	Peptuck	10/2/06 7:26 p.m.
Re: Oy.	MarineCorps117	10/2/06 7:30 p.m.
Re: Oy.	Mister Froggy	10/2/06 7:21 p.m.
Re: Oy.	Peptuck	10/2/06 7:25 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	slayer117	10/2/06 10:42 a.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	Baz	10/2/06 10:53 a.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	Peptuck	10/1/06 5:40 p.m.
Its all about the Benjamins	BeastIce	10/1/06 6:07 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	WortWortWort	10/1/06 6:22 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	MarineCorps117	10/1/06 7:28 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	Peptuck	10/1/06 8:39 p.m.
that's easy	GhaleonEB	10/1/06 7:10 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	Dojorkan	10/1/06 8:32 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	BARBARIC RAGE	10/1/06 9:05 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	jman571	10/3/06 8:09 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	catsinspace	10/1/06 9:52 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	ShortRoundMcfly	10/1/06 10:37 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	[AMS] GreyThor	10/1/06 11:43 p.m.
Re: Yeah, man	ShortRoundMcfly	10/1/06 11:59 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	Rox	10/2/06 3:04 a.m.
Go outside sometime. NM	Paul	10/2/06 1:23 a.m.
Always half empty with some NM	Grey Wolf	10/2/06 2:07 a.m.
Dual-wielding shotguns = Marathon	Chryton	10/2/06 3:21 a.m.
Here's a novel concept...	yakaman	10/2/06 7:26 a.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	mnemesis	10/2/06 10:56 a.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	Baz	10/2/06 11:03 a.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	Marine Corps 117	10/2/06 1:25 p.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	10/2/06 1:47 p.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	Louis Wu	10/2/06 1:53 p.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	Document	10/2/06 1:54 p.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	mercury	10/2/06 2:05 p.m.
Agreed. NM	Document	10/2/06 2:18 p.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	MarineCorps117	10/2/06 2:58 p.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	Sep7imus [subnova]	10/2/06 3:25 p.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	Peptuck	10/2/06 3:49 p.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	Sep7imus [subnova]	10/2/06 4:19 p.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	yakaman	10/2/06 4:19 p.m.
Re: Here's a novel concept...	[AMS] GreyThor	10/2/06 4:26 p.m.
question for the Bungie guys	Angel_251	10/2/06 3:04 p.m.
Re: question for the Bungie guys	Sep7imus [subnova]	10/2/06 3:27 p.m.
Re: question for the Bungie guys	Angel_251	10/2/06 4:04 p.m.
Re: question for the Bungie guys	Peptuck	10/2/06 3:52 p.m.
Re: question for the Bungie guys	Angel_251	10/2/06 4:05 p.m.
Re: question for the Bungie guys	KP	10/2/06 4:51 p.m.
I guess you missed the memo... NM	Usul	10/2/06 5:06 p.m.
Re: question for the Bungie guys	Ross Mills [subnova]	10/2/06 5:40 p.m.
Re: question for the Bungie guys	mercury	10/2/06 5:42 p.m.
Re: question for the Bungie guys	Angel_251	10/2/06 5:51 p.m.
Re: Why I've lost faith in Bungie and the Halo fil	Twelve Large	10/3/06 12:33 a.m.