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Re: SUPERFUD! :) | |
Posted By: Kellen Squire <squire@manty.biz> | Date: 5/23/02 9:43 a.m. |
In Response To: SUPERFUD! :) (Narcogen) Oh ho, your secret dastardly plan has failed! No class today! Mwah hahahaha! : Well, it must be the former, since it certainly isn't the latter. Either
No, actually, you just miss a lot of stuff that us people who spend waaaayyy too much time on the Internet would get. Since I've decided you know a lot more than I took you to know, I'll assume it isn't the business thing. : No offense, of course, but if you want to take cheap shots, we can waste
Cool! I'll start! j00 4r3 0wnZ3d! I'll also start the not-related-to-anything topic and state that, for the record, Dave Thomas isn't dead. He's cooking burgers for Tupac. : Try starting with Advertising Age. *shudder* Please, don't do that to me. The last time I thought of an age comprised entirely of advertising, it took me a week to clean the sheets. : MS spent a quarter of a billion just on Christmas 2001/2002. For the XBOX, or Microsoft overall? : The five-year plan for Xbox marketing is $2 Billion. This figure was just
Over five years, ahhhhh. This sounds much more reas... uhhmm... well... not-bad. : http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=34845 Cool. : Incidentally, that article also cites the worldwide installed base for the
Yep. Sounds about right. : With a year of lead time, and only from Nov til now for the Xbox to sell, one
Well, uhmm, that's the sticking point, isn't it? PS2 was like the Star Wars movies. Oooh, hey, that's a good analogy! I'll use it later. : This is a well-known, well-publicized figure discussed in the past 6-9 months
Okay, I'll settle this once and for all. That was a joke, I was insinuating that I'd been in Bill Gate's pants. Other than having to keep an eye on what they do for The Holm Depot (Professor Holm is my Marketing teacher) because I gotta (along with a few other companies), I don't have any "insider information," per se. : Of course MS has made profit. But not on Xbox, which was the context of the
Ahh, but I think that maybe it does. Hold on while I go look up the balance sheets for Sony and Nintendo... ... Hold on, the guy next to me and I are in a PS2/XBOX fight about quality... ... Here we go. Nintendo grossed $3.6 billion and profited $764 million off of that last FY. Sony... goddamn it, I'm out of time. Stupid required core classes, anyway. : Again, it's a generally acknowledged (and announced by MS) fact. Plus
: Never liked NASCAR. Pick a different analogy :) : See, that's a little strange. As much as I may dislike MS, for various
: They haven't done the latter. Neither have they proven they can do the
: In the meanwhile, it seems like lots of Xbox owners and MS boosters have
: I think a realistic reading of the data shows that MS isn't exactly out of
: Only a poor writer blames his readers. Or is that "only a poor workman
: As for sarcasm and satire, I'm fairly familiar with both, and your intimation
: No. The market leaders always have a choice. : No conceivable increase in Xbox sales over the life of the console could
: So Sony *did* have a choice. Instead of choosing to ignore MS and let them
: First, I don't think they could do it "easily". If it was easy,
: It's a fine distinction. But you're telling your story entirely from the
: [snip] : Ah, there again we are in complete agreement :) : Not lately. When will your Bachelor's in Business Administration be finished,
: And at any rate, we hadn't even been delving into the two companies' stock
: The only thing I think the hard financial data can tell us is what resources
: I think we can probably agree on that. : I'm not sure on what basis you call a statement "true" which can
: At any rate, it strikes me as more hyperbole than anything else. And it's
: You cannot consider the console without the games. The console without a game
: I'm not saying that's not the case, I'm saying it's impossible to discuss the
: Ah, OK-- no, I didn't see the reference that way, I thought you were making
: But anyway, I'd still disagree. If Sony can't celebrate after selling ten
: Perhaps the real answer is "never"-- that's certainly the way MS
: I think that's probably where we disagree the most. I think MS is paranoid,
: If their expectations had been really low-- let's say, sales figures about
: In short-- I don't think if their worst case had really been that bad, that
: The console market is *very* cyclical. They could just as well have decided
: OMG NOE! : [snip] : I don't think they ignore them-- I just don't think they fear them in a
: So.. you want it both ways? Sony both fears and ignores MS? Which is it? ;) : Hmm... I still don't think it rises to that level. The Xbox is an incremental
: What do you mean, "nope"? : 1) It's evolutionary. It's a box that plays games on your TV. These existed
: 2) It's parts-bin innovation. All the components are used in other products
: If this is a revolutionary product, categorically different from all that has
: It just as easily be MS in that third spot. In terms of worldwide installed
: Good grief, man... based on what? : Sony's installed base worldwide is 30 million, sold in a period of about 18
: MS' worldwide installed base is 3.5 million, sold in a period of about 7
: Work out the figures for sales worldwide per month, then plot a graph showing
: Actually, let's go ahead and do it out: 3.5 M sold over 7 months = .5M per
: 30 M sold over 18 months = 1.6M per month : So Sony's been averaging more than 300% more unit sales per month. : Even if Sony's sales are cut in HALF, and MS' sales DOUBLE, and we follow
: Even if you take off the last year of that for Sony but not for MS (given
: The gap is just too large. : And despite that, there's little or no rationale from anyone-- even MS-- for
: In fact... according to those figures, even if MS doubled the current sales
: Nevermind the fact that long before that ever happened, there'd be a PS3. : In short... I'm really not sure where you're coming from there. Please
: Well... historically, in the console industry, the #3 man takes it in the
: Yes, but time consuming, I really should be working :)
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Re: Hard Drive | NthDegree256 | 5/21/02 11:13 p.m. |
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Re: DVD Consortium Charges | Narcogen | 5/23/02 3:05 a.m. |
Re: DVD Consortium Charges | Mark Levin | 5/23/02 3:09 a.m. |
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xbox as music player | Narcogen | 5/22/02 4:45 a.m. |
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Re: hard drive vs. memory card | SpudBoy | 5/22/02 1:52 a.m. |
PGR ghosts and Myth Filmz | Narcogen | 5/22/02 5:04 a.m. |
Re: Gross vs. Profit | vector40 | 5/21/02 11:28 p.m. |
Grosse Profit Pointe | Narcogen | 5/22/02 1:44 a.m. |
Re: Gross vs. Profit | Miguel Chavez | 5/22/02 1:22 a.m. |
Profit vs. Revenue | Narcogen | 5/22/02 1:52 a.m. |
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*blink* | Kellen Squire | 5/22/02 6:29 p.m. |
Well, uh banshee "challenge" *NM* | Black_Jackal | 5/22/02 6:47 p.m. |
WHAT THE !@#$! | Black_Jackal | 5/22/02 6:51 p.m. |
Re: WHAT THE !@#$! | Narcogen | 5/23/02 2:40 a.m. |
SUPERFUD! :) | Narcogen | 5/23/02 2:38 a.m. |
Dratness! | Kellen Squire | 5/23/02 8:30 a.m. |
Re: SUPERFUD! :) | Kellen Squire | 5/23/02 9:43 a.m. |
Good Grief, this is great. *NM* | vector40 | 5/23/02 9:25 p.m. |
Re: SUPERFUD! :) | Narcogen | 5/24/02 4:09 a.m. |
Re: SUPERFUD IS FINALLY REPLIED TO | Kellen Squire | 5/24/02 12:23 a.m. |
Jesus. | Zapf Dingbats | 5/24/02 12:58 a.m. |
Re: Jesus. | Kellen Squire | 5/24/02 8:24 a.m. |
Re: Doomsayers vs MS Kool-Aid | Miguel Chavez | 5/22/02 1:33 a.m. |
Re: Doomsayers vs MS Kool-Aid | Narcogen | 5/22/02 4:54 a.m. |
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