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Re: Reach will have a great legacy.
Posted By: General Vagueness <General.Vagueness@gmail.com>Date: 9/5/11 12:05 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Reach will have a great legacy. (uberfoop)


: Is this because you're actually accomplishing some as compared to some other
: areas, though, or is it because the execution and internal pacing of those
: two levels is simply better than in the rest of Reach? I mean, heck, the
: guys you "save" in Exodus very well might die anyway, and NA has
: no actual concrete goal to it.

Maybe (actually unless they were immortal somehow they definitely would), but the game doesn't turn around and show you it was for nothing, and New Alexandria has several concrete goals, they're just randomized, and going from one to the other can seem tedious or a number of other things but it reinforces the fact that you finished your previous task.

: I'm going to go ahead and assume that you consider TotS/LNoS to have been
: substantially less successful.

From the standpoint of accomplishment (especially when the level is finished), yes-- that's all I was talking about.

: Here's the thing about them: in terms of end result, what separates them
: from other, better middle acts of other media? It's extremely common
: for second acts to carry epicly and then end with the heroes realizing
: how screwed they are and how little they've accomplished. Case in point:
: Halo 1. SC/AotCR is probably the iconic sequence of iconicness of the
: Halo series, and it's easy to feel awesome while playing it, yet at the
: end of it you've accomplished almost nothing: the control room yields
: nothing beyond Cortana being able to inform you that you're totally
: froodlenutzskied. All she can do is tell you to stop the captain, but of
: course you don't get anywhere on time. What makes it more
: accomplishment-seeming-ish than TotS/LNoS, I think, isn't the
: ultimate result, but rather a combination of better gameplay and narrative
: pacing, and a lot more initial player investment due to Halo 1's first 3
: (introductory) levels being fascinating and engaging.

I wasn't thinking about it in terms of acts and I don't know if that had any influence, but you could say the second act ended with New Alexandria, and at that point you do get a full proper "we're screwed" feeling even more than the end of ToTS or LNoS.

You cannot fall off the floor.



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Reach will have a great legacy.Leviathan 9/2/11 11:40 p.m.
     On the shoulders of giants.AngelicLionheart 9/3/11 12:16 a.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Kermit 9/3/11 12:46 a.m.
           It's the Majora's Mask of Halo *NM*chiefsparten 9/3/11 1:47 a.m.
     /agree *NM*Dubbl3.utoo 9/3/11 3:32 a.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Flynn J Taggart 9/3/11 4:30 a.m.
           I sure would love to play as S2s in years past.AngelicLionheart 9/3/11 5:44 a.m.
                 Re: I sure would love to play as S2s in years pastFlynn J Taggart 9/4/11 6:33 a.m.
     CertainlyNeloms 9/3/11 8:15 a.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 10:00 a.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.GrimBrother One 9/3/11 10:13 a.m.
                 Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 7:35 p.m.
           I should say...Leviathan 9/3/11 12:11 p.m.
                 Re: I should say...SonofMacPhisto 9/3/11 12:59 p.m.
                       inb4fistful2wordsnao *NM*SonofMacPhisto 9/3/11 1:06 p.m.
                       Re: I should say...Leviathan 9/3/11 1:13 p.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.BanditORR 9/3/11 10:40 a.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Leviathan 9/3/11 12:17 p.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/3/11 9:33 p.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.DEEP NNN 9/3/11 10:57 a.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/3/11 1:19 p.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Leviathan 9/3/11 2:43 p.m.
                 Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 7:51 p.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Dervish 9/3/11 3:38 p.m.
                 Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/3/11 5:34 p.m.
                       Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Dervish 9/3/11 6:16 p.m.
                             Re: Reach will have a great legacy.ArteenEsben 9/3/11 6:38 p.m.
                       Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 8:01 p.m.
                             Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/3/11 8:09 p.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 7:47 p.m.
                 Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/3/11 8:26 p.m.
                       Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 10:19 p.m.
                             Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Leviathan 9/3/11 10:54 p.m.
                                   Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Quirel 9/4/11 10:54 a.m.
                                         Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Meyeselph 9/4/11 11:36 a.m.
                                               Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/4/11 3:41 p.m.
                                                     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/4/11 6:18 p.m.
                                                           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/5/11 12:05 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/5/11 1:11 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/5/11 5:20 p.m.
                                   Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/4/11 3:35 p.m.
     I'm not sure I agreeMeyeselph 9/3/11 3:56 p.m.
           Re: I'm not sure I agreeArteenEsben 9/3/11 6:28 p.m.
           Re: I'm not sure I agreePkmnrulz240 9/3/11 7:29 p.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.ZaneZavin 9/4/11 4:15 p.m.



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