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Re: Reach will have a great legacy.
Posted By: Leviathan <levihoffmeier@gmail.com>Date: 9/3/11 2:43 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Reach will have a great legacy. (uberfoop)


: I don't see it as going down in my eyes as an interestingly dark part of the
: Haloverse, because I don't see it as having been very successful in being
: as dark as it wants to be. It throws loads and loads of overt
: "dark" content at me, but drives relatively little of it home.

: I still think of Keyes as being the height of darkness in the series. Perhaps
: its impact has been blunted by Halo 3's decision to suck away the fear of
: the unknown and replace it with a ridiculous cartoony infection
: animation*, but it's execution in its own game makes it just plain work .
: It's even got perfect narrative placement**.

: But Reach? It's got a brief period of legitimate darkness and hopelessness,
: but it quickly shifts back into "blaze of glory and lots of
: hopefulness" mode. You want to do terrifying futility, give me The
: Great Silence , not The Magnificent Seven . Reach refuses to take on an
: actual dark narrative with actually dark implications. Instead, it chose
: to become causation for a separate story that never needed or wanted any,
: and in doing so it sacrificed its ability to punctuate itself***.

: //================

: *Perhaps one of my largest complaints about Halo 3's campaign.

: **HCE's acts 2 and 3 follow a stylistic time-of-day scheme to connect
: aesthetic design and narrative flow. SC, with the sun low in the sky,
: opens a campaign with a fresh day, followed by AotCR's more focused midday
: linear battle of awesome. 343GS is the transition, and the dusk. After a
: long night of Library and TB, the night really is darkest before the
: dawn in Keyes. And that goes to make The Maw's opening cutscene, that
: soaring into a new morning over an apocalyptic wasteland of epic
: climaxishness, that much more beautiful.
: Speaking of which, ODST does something very similar, albeit less
: straightforward. Perhaps one of the reasons that people occasionally say
: ODST feels similar to Halo 1.

: ***Also, I get that I'm in a minority here, but I think it sacrificed some of
: its ability to jive nicely with Halo 1 here as well. I think it would have
: been great if Reach had been strictly about the collapse of much of the
: UNSC's conventional war hopes**** and left all the Forerunner-mystery to
: Halo 1. All this crap about "a birthright from an ancient
: civilization" and whatnot is a massive symbolic intrusion on some of
: the biggest and most iconic moments in HCE, moments like the Two Betrayals
: opening cutscene which are executed with ridiculous brilliance.

: ****It also would have allowed Reach to actually be dark. Let the player take
: Noble Six through an epic campaign of awesome, trying save as much as
: possible, and then sadistically rip it all to shreds, leaving the Spartan
: to die in battle for nothing .

: //================

: And if you'll excuse me, I need to go refill my asterisks container.

Yeah, I don't think I was trying to say Reach is perfect or anything, just that for example, even with all these flaws you find in the game, perhaps if you embrace it as still a part of the whole Halo story, then I think it will offer you unique nuggets of awesomeness in the years to come, when you've moved on and are playing through the whole story again. :)

This thread to me wasn't trying to say "Reach is good" (though I do think it is) but more "Reach will be a neat thing to play as its brother-games continue to grow, despite your feeling towards it now."

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Reach will have a great legacy.Leviathan 9/2/11 11:40 p.m.
     On the shoulders of giants.AngelicLionheart 9/3/11 12:16 a.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Kermit 9/3/11 12:46 a.m.
           It's the Majora's Mask of Halo *NM*chiefsparten 9/3/11 1:47 a.m.
     /agree *NM*Dubbl3.utoo 9/3/11 3:32 a.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Flynn J Taggart 9/3/11 4:30 a.m.
           I sure would love to play as S2s in years past.AngelicLionheart 9/3/11 5:44 a.m.
                 Re: I sure would love to play as S2s in years pastFlynn J Taggart 9/4/11 6:33 a.m.
     CertainlyNeloms 9/3/11 8:15 a.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 10:00 a.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.GrimBrother One 9/3/11 10:13 a.m.
                 Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 7:35 p.m.
           I should say...Leviathan 9/3/11 12:11 p.m.
                 Re: I should say...SonofMacPhisto 9/3/11 12:59 p.m.
                       inb4fistful2wordsnao *NM*SonofMacPhisto 9/3/11 1:06 p.m.
                       Re: I should say...Leviathan 9/3/11 1:13 p.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.BanditORR 9/3/11 10:40 a.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Leviathan 9/3/11 12:17 p.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/3/11 9:33 p.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.DEEP NNN 9/3/11 10:57 a.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/3/11 1:19 p.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Leviathan 9/3/11 2:43 p.m.
                 Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 7:51 p.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Dervish 9/3/11 3:38 p.m.
                 Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/3/11 5:34 p.m.
                       Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Dervish 9/3/11 6:16 p.m.
                             Re: Reach will have a great legacy.ArteenEsben 9/3/11 6:38 p.m.
                       Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 8:01 p.m.
                             Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/3/11 8:09 p.m.
           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 7:47 p.m.
                 Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/3/11 8:26 p.m.
                       Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/3/11 10:19 p.m.
                             Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Leviathan 9/3/11 10:54 p.m.
                                   Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Quirel 9/4/11 10:54 a.m.
                                         Re: Reach will have a great legacy.Meyeselph 9/4/11 11:36 a.m.
                                               Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/4/11 3:41 p.m.
                                                     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/4/11 6:18 p.m.
                                                           Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/5/11 12:05 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Reach will have a great legacy.uberfoop 9/5/11 1:11 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/5/11 5:20 p.m.
                                   Re: Reach will have a great legacy.General Vagueness 9/4/11 3:35 p.m.
     I'm not sure I agreeMeyeselph 9/3/11 3:56 p.m.
           Re: I'm not sure I agreeArteenEsben 9/3/11 6:28 p.m.
           Re: I'm not sure I agreePkmnrulz240 9/3/11 7:29 p.m.
     Re: Reach will have a great legacy.ZaneZavin 9/4/11 4:15 p.m.



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