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Re: This might be a little redundant...

Posted By: RyokoTK Date: 3/5/12 9:17 p.m.
In Response To: Re: This might be a little redundant... (Forrest of B.org)

We're putting both horse and cart in front of highway with this thread.
MBO is in need of a facelift. It's not in need of a re-conceptualization. There's no need to demolish it and rebuild the entire concept from square one.
The only significant issue in terms of content, as far as I or anyone else in this thread apparently can tell, is that the current selection of links to display above the fold on MBO is a little... irrelevant.
The purpose of this thread is a new visual design that will better engage potential new fans, and perhaps be a more useful landing page for people that want to return to our community. That means being very selective with your link choices is all it takes.
Major issues in terms of links:
1) A link to the Sourceforge page should be front and center. Well, not literally, but it's the most important thing, and there's no reason to duplicate what is already done so well on the Sourceforge page. If this can be done without the words "get" and "Marathon" juxtaposed in any way, all the better.
2) Maybe a handful of links to major, still-relevant community pages. I'm talking Story, Simplici7y, Pfhorums, MSB, and that's it. All of these other many links should be relegated to another page, where they aren't inundating new users with their not-really-self-explanatory titles. Most of them are also tremendously out of date. Map of the Month, last updated 2003? Really? Get out of here.
Wow, I just finished all of the content conjecturing. Funnily enough, I did this all by looking at the current MBO and trimming out the out-of-date stuff, and adding one thing. Nothing else is relevant to the purpose that MBO serves. All other issues of story discussion, content creation, community stuff, whatever, this is already accomplished on other webpages, and redundancy is not a good thing here. Treellama and Diogenes have this down already: nothing that wouldn't be immediately relevant to the Average Joe, either a new fan or a returning "normal fan" (aka not one of us tremendous losers spending a thousand posts discussing a website) is visible above the fold.
That's why the discussion in this thread has been primarily visual stuff: that's all that's being asked for here. The page is simply a fork in the road that leads to all of the actually interesting websites in our little community. MBO is not a destination in itself. That's why I've been so heavily advocating simplicity in the layout. This isn't a content-driven site. Make it simple, make it attractive, and make it laconic.
About the Internet being a visual medium: I'm fairly alarmed that you claim to be a professional web designer and you argue that it isn't primarily a visual medium. Websites that don't consider the final visual presentation of the information they're aggregating are going to fail, because clarity and visual engagement are tremendously important when the main method of operation involves staring at a computer screen and twiddling a mouse wheel. Even if we consider websites that are entirely about divesting information, like Wikipedia, there are certain rigorous standards that need to be upheld to make them visually clear and engaging -- at least enough to ensure that the information on the page gets received accurately and completely by the reader that's killing time instead of working.

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marathon.bungie.org Godot 2/18/12 3:29 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Bob-B-Q 2/18/12 7:20 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org MrM12LRV 2/18/12 7:30 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Godot 2/18/12 8:54 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Tycho 2/18/12 10:12 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Godot 2/18/12 10:17 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org *LINK* Tycho 2/18/12 10:32 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Johannes Gunnar 2/20/12 12:00 a.m.

Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org Forrest of B.org 2/22/12 8:18 p.m.

Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org Godot 2/23/12 12:02 a.m.

Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org Johannes Gunnar 2/23/12 4:04 a.m.

Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org Forrest of B.org 2/23/12 6:29 p.m.

Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org treellama 2/23/12 4:21 a.m.

Big ideas for mar.b.org breakdown Forrest of B.org 2/23/12 6:37 p.m.

Idea 1: Organization Forrest of B.org 2/23/12 6:50 p.m.

Re: Idea 1: Organization Johannes Gunnar 2/23/12 11:00 p.m.

Re: Idea 1: Organization Forrest of B.org 2/23/12 11:22 p.m.

Re: Idea 1: Organization treellama 2/24/12 3:53 a.m.

Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/25/12 10:52 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Johannes Gunnar 2/26/12 5:46 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/26/12 11:58 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/26/12 5:46 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Diogenes 2/26/12 6:39 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/26/12 8:04 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Godot 2/26/12 11:26 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Johannes Gunnar 2/27/12 11:05 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe poena.dare 2/27/12 12:02 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe treellama 2/27/12 4:39 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe RyokoTK 2/27/12 5:58 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe *LINK* W'rkncacnter 2/27/12 7:45 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/27/12 8:41 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe poena.dare 2/28/12 2:27 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/28/12 11:55 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe poena.dare 2/29/12 3:35 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe poena.dare 2/29/12 8:01 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/27/12 8:39 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe treellama 2/27/12 4:24 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/27/12 9:42 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Johannes Gunnar 2/27/12 11:16 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe brilliant 2/29/12 11:38 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe RyokoTK 2/27/12 2:29 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/27/12 8:48 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe treellama 2/28/12 4:31 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Johannes Gunnar 2/28/12 6:44 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/28/12 9:22 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe treellama 2/28/12 9:40 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/28/12 10:54 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe W'rkncacnter 2/28/12 11:20 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Diogenes 2/28/12 12:06 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe poena.dare 2/28/12 12:19 p.m.

Balance of issues Forrest of B.org 2/28/12 11:56 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe RyokoTK 2/28/12 2:13 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe poena.dare 2/28/12 6:38 p.m.

On Process Forrest of B.org 2/28/12 11:56 p.m.

Re: On Process treellama 2/29/12 4:22 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe RyokoTK 2/28/12 4:50 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe *LINK* Diogenes 2/28/12 5:31 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe poena.dare 2/28/12 6:57 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/27/12 9:40 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/27/12 9:41 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Godot 2/28/12 1:25 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe poena.dare 2/28/12 2:33 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Johannes Gunnar 2/28/12 7:03 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Godot 2/28/12 9:03 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Tycho 2/28/12 3:53 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Johannes Gunnar 2/28/12 10:44 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Godot 2/28/12 11:28 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/28/12 9:57 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Johannes Gunnar 2/28/12 1:27 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/28/12 11:55 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe W'rkncacnter 2/28/12 9:46 a.m.

Draft 4 - better variable columns Forrest of B.org 2/29/12 12:40 a.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns RyokoTK 2/29/12 4:41 a.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns RyokoTK 2/29/12 7:28 a.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns W'rkncacnter 2/29/12 8:02 a.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns Forrest of B.org 2/29/12 8:57 p.m.

check out mediaqueries if you haven't yet. Johannes Gunnar 2/29/12 10:14 p.m.

Re: check out mediaqueries if you haven't yet. Forrest of B.org 2/29/12 11:45 p.m.

Re: check out mediaqueries if you haven't yet. Johannes Gunnar 3/1/12 2:08 a.m.

...also Johannes Gunnar 3/1/12 2:15 a.m.

Re: ...also Forrest of B.org 3/1/12 10:25 p.m.

Re: ...also poena.dare 3/2/12 3:39 a.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns RyokoTK 3/1/12 6:03 a.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns *NM* *LINK* Johannes Gunnar 3/1/12 9:30 a.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns RyokoTK 3/1/12 10:44 a.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns Forrest of B.org 3/1/12 10:02 p.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns RyokoTK 3/2/12 5:27 a.m.

Draft 5 Forrest of B.org 3/3/12 11:53 p.m.

Re: Draft 5 ukimalefu 3/4/12 3:01 a.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns Diogenes 2/29/12 5:08 a.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns Forrest of B.org 2/29/12 11:29 a.m.

Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns Diogenes 2/29/12 11:38 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Bob-B-Q 2/28/12 10:18 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe poena.dare 2/28/12 11:12 a.m.

And they never paid me for it, either! *NM* Bob-B-Q 2/28/12 12:10 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe treellama 2/26/12 4:04 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/26/12 5:49 p.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe treellama 2/27/12 5:30 a.m.

Re: Draft 1 Wireframe Forrest of B.org 2/27/12 9:13 a.m.

Idea 2: Integration Forrest of B.org 2/23/12 7:12 p.m.

Re: Idea 2: Integration treellama 2/24/12 4:03 a.m.

Re: Idea 2: Integration W'rkncacnter 3/31/12 4:15 p.m.

Re: Idea 2: Integration Godot 3/31/12 10:35 p.m.

Idea 3: Unification Forrest of B.org 2/23/12 7:27 p.m.

Re: Idea 3: Unification W'rkncacnter 2/23/12 8:37 p.m.

Re: Idea 3: Unification Forrest of B.org 2/23/12 11:37 p.m.

Re: Idea 3: Unification treellama 2/24/12 4:13 a.m.

Re: Idea 3: Unification Tycho 2/25/12 6:10 a.m.

Re: Idea 3: Unification Forrest of B.org 2/25/12 11:01 a.m.

Re: Idea 3: Unification treellama 2/24/12 4:07 a.m.

Re: Idea 3: Unification Forrest of B.org 2/24/12 10:29 a.m.

Re: Idea 3: Unification treellama 2/24/12 10:43 a.m.

traxus overhaul ChristTrekker 2/23/12 6:28 a.m.

Re: traxus overhaul Forrest of B.org 2/23/12 6:31 p.m.

Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org Bob-B-Q 2/23/12 6:37 a.m.

Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org mchief111 2/23/12 7:01 a.m.

Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org ukimalefu 2/23/12 8:36 a.m.

Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org poena.dare 2/23/12 8:57 a.m.

Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org poena.dare 2/23/12 6:41 a.m.

Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org ChristTrekker 2/23/12 7:50 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org treellama 3/3/12 6:56 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org RyokoTK 3/3/12 7:23 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Forrest of B.org 3/3/12 8:47 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org *LINK* W'rkncacnter 3/3/12 9:44 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org ukimalefu 3/4/12 3:05 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Godot 3/3/12 11:19 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Johannes Gunnar 3/3/12 11:47 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Godot 3/3/12 11:18 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org W'rkncacnter 3/3/12 11:25 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Godot 3/3/12 11:58 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org treellama 3/4/12 7:54 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Godot 3/4/12 8:25 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org treellama 3/4/12 8:45 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Godot 3/4/12 8:46 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Godot 3/4/12 9:17 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org treellama 3/4/12 9:27 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org RyokoTK 3/4/12 10:16 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org W'rkncacnter 3/4/12 10:48 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org treellama 3/4/12 6:20 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org treellama 3/4/12 4:33 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Forrest of B.org 3/4/12 12:26 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org RyokoTK 3/4/12 4:30 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Johannes Gunnar 3/4/12 4:51 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org treellama 3/4/12 8:31 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org treellama 3/5/12 5:47 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org W'rkncacnter 3/5/12 5:58 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Forrest of B.org 3/5/12 8:28 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Forrest of B.org 3/5/12 10:20 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Godot 3/5/12 11:20 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org ukimalefu 3/6/12 12:55 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Forrest of B.org 3/4/12 11:57 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org ukimalefu 3/5/12 2:12 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org RyokoTK 3/5/12 6:09 p.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org ukimalefu 3/4/12 2:56 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Bob-B-Q 3/4/12 6:38 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Tycho 3/4/12 7:06 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org RyokoTK 3/4/12 7:35 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Hopper 3/4/12 10:09 a.m.

Re: marathon.bungie.org Forrest of B.org 3/4/12 11:34 a.m.

This might be a little redundant... Diogenes 3/5/12 12:04 p.m.

Re: This might be a little redundant... poena.dare 3/5/12 2:35 p.m.

Re: This might be a little redundant... Diogenes 3/5/12 2:40 p.m.

Re: This might be a little redundant... poena.dare 3/5/12 5:31 p.m.

Re: This might be a little redundant... Forrest of B.org 3/5/12 8:14 p.m.

Re: This might be a little redundant... Forrest of B.org 3/5/12 8:30 p.m.

Re: This might be a little redundant... RyokoTK 3/5/12 9:21 p.m.

Re: This might be a little redundant... RyokoTK 3/5/12 9:17 p.m.

Re: This might be a little redundant... Forrest of B.org 3/5/12 9:45 p.m.

Re: This might be a little redundant... Diogenes 3/6/12 5:04 a.m.

Re: This might be a little redundant... Diogenes 3/6/12 5:17 a.m.

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: We're putting both horse and cart in front of highway with this thread. : MBO is in need of a facelift. It's not in need of a re-conceptualization. : There's no need to demolish it and rebuild the entire concept from square : one. : The only significant issue in terms of content, as far as I or anyone else in : this thread apparently can tell, is that the current selection of links to : display above the fold on MBO is a little... irrelevant. : The purpose of this thread is a new visual design that will better engage : potential new fans, and perhaps be a more useful landing page for people : that want to return to our community. That means being very selective with : your link choices is all it takes. : Major issues in terms of links: 1) A link to the Sourceforge page should be : front and center. Well, not literally, but it's the most important thing, : and there's no reason to duplicate what is already done so well on the : Sourceforge page. If this can be done without the words "get" : and "Marathon" juxtaposed in any way, all the better. : 2) Maybe a handful of links to major, still-relevant community pages. I'm : talking Story, Simplici7y, Pfhorums, MSB, and that's it. All of these : other many links should be relegated to another page, where they aren't : inundating new users with their not-really-self-explanatory titles. Most : of them are also tremendously out of date. Map of the Month, last updated : 2003? Really? Get out of here. : Wow, I just finished all of the content conjecturing. Funnily enough, I did : this all by looking at the current MBO and trimming out the out-of-date : stuff, and adding one thing. Nothing else is relevant to the purpose that : MBO serves. All other issues of story discussion, content creation, : community stuff, whatever, this is already accomplished on other webpages, : and redundancy is not a good thing here. Treellama and Diogenes have this : down already: nothing that wouldn't be immediately relevant to the Average : Joe, either a new fan or a returning "normal fan" (aka not one : of us tremendous losers spending a thousand posts discussing a website) is : visible above the fold. : That's why the discussion in this thread has been primarily visual stuff: : that's all that's being asked for here. The page is simply a fork in the : road that leads to all of the actually interesting websites in our little : community. MBO is not a destination in itself. That's why I've been so : heavily advocating simplicity in the layout. This isn't a content-driven : site. Make it simple, make it attractive, and make it laconic. : About the Internet being a visual medium: I'm fairly alarmed that you claim : to be a professional web designer and you argue that it isn't primarily a : visual medium. Websites that don't consider the final visual presentation : of the information they're aggregating are going to fail, because clarity : and visual engagement are tremendously important when the main method of : operation involves staring at a computer screen and twiddling a mouse : wheel. Even if we consider websites that are entirely about divesting : information, like Wikipedia, there are certain rigorous standards that : need to be upheld to make them visually clear and engaging -- at least : enough to ensure that the information on the page gets received accurately : and completely by the reader that's killing time instead of working.

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marathon.bungie.org	Godot	2/18/12 3:29 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Bob-B-Q	2/18/12 7:20 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	MrM12LRV	2/18/12 7:30 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Godot	2/18/12 8:54 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Tycho	2/18/12 10:12 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Godot	2/18/12 10:17 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org LINK	Tycho	2/18/12 10:32 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Johannes Gunnar	2/20/12 12:00 a.m.
Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org	Forrest of B.org	2/22/12 8:18 p.m.
Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org	Godot	2/23/12 12:02 a.m.
Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org	Johannes Gunnar	2/23/12 4:04 a.m.
Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org	Forrest of B.org	2/23/12 6:29 p.m.
Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org	treellama	2/23/12 4:21 a.m.
Big ideas for mar.b.org breakdown	Forrest of B.org	2/23/12 6:37 p.m.
Idea 1: Organization	Forrest of B.org	2/23/12 6:50 p.m.
Re: Idea 1: Organization	Johannes Gunnar	2/23/12 11:00 p.m.
Re: Idea 1: Organization	Forrest of B.org	2/23/12 11:22 p.m.
Re: Idea 1: Organization	treellama	2/24/12 3:53 a.m.
Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/25/12 10:52 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Johannes Gunnar	2/26/12 5:46 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/26/12 11:58 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/26/12 5:46 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Diogenes	2/26/12 6:39 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/26/12 8:04 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Godot	2/26/12 11:26 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Johannes Gunnar	2/27/12 11:05 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	poena.dare	2/27/12 12:02 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	treellama	2/27/12 4:39 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	RyokoTK	2/27/12 5:58 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe LINK	W'rkncacnter	2/27/12 7:45 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/27/12 8:41 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	poena.dare	2/28/12 2:27 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/28/12 11:55 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	poena.dare	2/29/12 3:35 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	poena.dare	2/29/12 8:01 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/27/12 8:39 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	treellama	2/27/12 4:24 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/27/12 9:42 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Johannes Gunnar	2/27/12 11:16 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	brilliant	2/29/12 11:38 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	RyokoTK	2/27/12 2:29 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/27/12 8:48 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	treellama	2/28/12 4:31 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Johannes Gunnar	2/28/12 6:44 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/28/12 9:22 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	treellama	2/28/12 9:40 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/28/12 10:54 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	W'rkncacnter	2/28/12 11:20 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Diogenes	2/28/12 12:06 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	poena.dare	2/28/12 12:19 p.m.
Balance of issues	Forrest of B.org	2/28/12 11:56 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	RyokoTK	2/28/12 2:13 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	poena.dare	2/28/12 6:38 p.m.
On Process	Forrest of B.org	2/28/12 11:56 p.m.
Re: On Process	treellama	2/29/12 4:22 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	RyokoTK	2/28/12 4:50 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe LINK	Diogenes	2/28/12 5:31 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	poena.dare	2/28/12 6:57 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/27/12 9:40 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/27/12 9:41 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Godot	2/28/12 1:25 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	poena.dare	2/28/12 2:33 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Johannes Gunnar	2/28/12 7:03 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Godot	2/28/12 9:03 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Tycho	2/28/12 3:53 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Johannes Gunnar	2/28/12 10:44 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Godot	2/28/12 11:28 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/28/12 9:57 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Johannes Gunnar	2/28/12 1:27 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/28/12 11:55 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	W'rkncacnter	2/28/12 9:46 a.m.
Draft 4 - better variable columns	Forrest of B.org	2/29/12 12:40 a.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns	RyokoTK	2/29/12 4:41 a.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns	RyokoTK	2/29/12 7:28 a.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns	W'rkncacnter	2/29/12 8:02 a.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns	Forrest of B.org	2/29/12 8:57 p.m.
check out mediaqueries if you haven't yet.	Johannes Gunnar	2/29/12 10:14 p.m.
Re: check out mediaqueries if you haven't yet.	Forrest of B.org	2/29/12 11:45 p.m.
Re: check out mediaqueries if you haven't yet.	Johannes Gunnar	3/1/12 2:08 a.m.
...also	Johannes Gunnar	3/1/12 2:15 a.m.
Re: ...also	Forrest of B.org	3/1/12 10:25 p.m.
Re: ...also	poena.dare	3/2/12 3:39 a.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns	RyokoTK	3/1/12 6:03 a.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns NM LINK	Johannes Gunnar	3/1/12 9:30 a.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns	RyokoTK	3/1/12 10:44 a.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns	Forrest of B.org	3/1/12 10:02 p.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns	RyokoTK	3/2/12 5:27 a.m.
Draft 5	Forrest of B.org	3/3/12 11:53 p.m.
Re: Draft 5	ukimalefu	3/4/12 3:01 a.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns	Diogenes	2/29/12 5:08 a.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns	Forrest of B.org	2/29/12 11:29 a.m.
Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns	Diogenes	2/29/12 11:38 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Bob-B-Q	2/28/12 10:18 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	poena.dare	2/28/12 11:12 a.m.
And they never paid me for it, either! NM	Bob-B-Q	2/28/12 12:10 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	treellama	2/26/12 4:04 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/26/12 5:49 p.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	treellama	2/27/12 5:30 a.m.
Re: Draft 1 Wireframe	Forrest of B.org	2/27/12 9:13 a.m.
Idea 2: Integration	Forrest of B.org	2/23/12 7:12 p.m.
Re: Idea 2: Integration	treellama	2/24/12 4:03 a.m.
Re: Idea 2: Integration	W'rkncacnter	3/31/12 4:15 p.m.
Re: Idea 2: Integration	Godot	3/31/12 10:35 p.m.
Idea 3: Unification	Forrest of B.org	2/23/12 7:27 p.m.
Re: Idea 3: Unification	W'rkncacnter	2/23/12 8:37 p.m.
Re: Idea 3: Unification	Forrest of B.org	2/23/12 11:37 p.m.
Re: Idea 3: Unification	treellama	2/24/12 4:13 a.m.
Re: Idea 3: Unification	Tycho	2/25/12 6:10 a.m.
Re: Idea 3: Unification	Forrest of B.org	2/25/12 11:01 a.m.
Re: Idea 3: Unification	treellama	2/24/12 4:07 a.m.
Re: Idea 3: Unification	Forrest of B.org	2/24/12 10:29 a.m.
Re: Idea 3: Unification	treellama	2/24/12 10:43 a.m.
traxus overhaul	ChristTrekker	2/23/12 6:28 a.m.
Re: traxus overhaul	Forrest of B.org	2/23/12 6:31 p.m.
Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org	Bob-B-Q	2/23/12 6:37 a.m.
Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org	mchief111	2/23/12 7:01 a.m.
Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org	ukimalefu	2/23/12 8:36 a.m.
Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org	poena.dare	2/23/12 8:57 a.m.
Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org	poena.dare	2/23/12 6:41 a.m.
Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.org	ChristTrekker	2/23/12 7:50 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	treellama	3/3/12 6:56 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	RyokoTK	3/3/12 7:23 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Forrest of B.org	3/3/12 8:47 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org LINK	W'rkncacnter	3/3/12 9:44 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	ukimalefu	3/4/12 3:05 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Godot	3/3/12 11:19 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Johannes Gunnar	3/3/12 11:47 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Godot	3/3/12 11:18 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	W'rkncacnter	3/3/12 11:25 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Godot	3/3/12 11:58 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	treellama	3/4/12 7:54 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Godot	3/4/12 8:25 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	treellama	3/4/12 8:45 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Godot	3/4/12 8:46 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Godot	3/4/12 9:17 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	treellama	3/4/12 9:27 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	RyokoTK	3/4/12 10:16 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	W'rkncacnter	3/4/12 10:48 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	treellama	3/4/12 6:20 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	treellama	3/4/12 4:33 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Forrest of B.org	3/4/12 12:26 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	RyokoTK	3/4/12 4:30 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Johannes Gunnar	3/4/12 4:51 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	treellama	3/4/12 8:31 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	treellama	3/5/12 5:47 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	W'rkncacnter	3/5/12 5:58 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Forrest of B.org	3/5/12 8:28 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Forrest of B.org	3/5/12 10:20 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Godot	3/5/12 11:20 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	ukimalefu	3/6/12 12:55 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Forrest of B.org	3/4/12 11:57 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	ukimalefu	3/5/12 2:12 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	RyokoTK	3/5/12 6:09 p.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	ukimalefu	3/4/12 2:56 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Bob-B-Q	3/4/12 6:38 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Tycho	3/4/12 7:06 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	RyokoTK	3/4/12 7:35 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Hopper	3/4/12 10:09 a.m.
Re: marathon.bungie.org	Forrest of B.org	3/4/12 11:34 a.m.
This might be a little redundant...	Diogenes	3/5/12 12:04 p.m.
Re: This might be a little redundant...	poena.dare	3/5/12 2:35 p.m.
Re: This might be a little redundant...	Diogenes	3/5/12 2:40 p.m.
Re: This might be a little redundant...	poena.dare	3/5/12 5:31 p.m.
Re: This might be a little redundant...	Forrest of B.org	3/5/12 8:14 p.m.
Re: This might be a little redundant...	Forrest of B.org	3/5/12 8:30 p.m.
Re: This might be a little redundant...	RyokoTK	3/5/12 9:21 p.m.
Re: This might be a little redundant...	RyokoTK	3/5/12 9:17 p.m.
Re: This might be a little redundant...	Forrest of B.org	3/5/12 9:45 p.m.
Re: This might be a little redundant...	Diogenes	3/6/12 5:04 a.m.
Re: This might be a little redundant...	Diogenes	3/6/12 5:17 a.m.



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	Message: : We're putting both horse and cart in front of highway with this thread. : MBO is in need of a facelift. It's not in need of a re-conceptualization. : There's no need to demolish it and rebuild the entire concept from square : one. : The only significant issue in terms of content, as far as I or anyone else in : this thread apparently can tell, is that the current selection of links to : display above the fold on MBO is a little... irrelevant. : The purpose of this thread is a new visual design that will better engage : potential new fans, and perhaps be a more useful landing page for people : that want to return to our community. That means being very selective with : your link choices is all it takes. : Major issues in terms of links: 1) A link to the Sourceforge page should be : front and center. Well, not literally, but it's the most important thing, : and there's no reason to duplicate what is already done so well on the : Sourceforge page. If this can be done without the words "get" : and "Marathon" juxtaposed in any way, all the better. : 2) Maybe a handful of links to major, still-relevant community pages. I'm : talking Story, Simplici7y, Pfhorums, MSB, and that's it. All of these : other many links should be relegated to another page, where they aren't : inundating new users with their not-really-self-explanatory titles. Most : of them are also tremendously out of date. Map of the Month, last updated : 2003? Really? Get out of here. : Wow, I just finished all of the content conjecturing. Funnily enough, I did : this all by looking at the current MBO and trimming out the out-of-date : stuff, and adding one thing. Nothing else is relevant to the purpose that : MBO serves. All other issues of story discussion, content creation, : community stuff, whatever, this is already accomplished on other webpages, : and redundancy is not a good thing here. Treellama and Diogenes have this : down already: nothing that wouldn't be immediately relevant to the Average : Joe, either a new fan or a returning "normal fan" (aka not one : of us tremendous losers spending a thousand posts discussing a website) is : visible above the fold. : That's why the discussion in this thread has been primarily visual stuff: : that's all that's being asked for here. The page is simply a fork in the : road that leads to all of the actually interesting websites in our little : community. MBO is not a destination in itself. That's why I've been so : heavily advocating simplicity in the layout. This isn't a content-driven : site. Make it simple, make it attractive, and make it laconic. : About the Internet being a visual medium: I'm fairly alarmed that you claim : to be a professional web designer and you argue that it isn't primarily a : visual medium. Websites that don't consider the final visual presentation : of the information they're aggregating are going to fail, because clarity : and visual engagement are tremendously important when the main method of : operation involves staring at a computer screen and twiddling a mouse : wheel. Even if we consider websites that are entirely about divesting : information, like Wikipedia, there are certain rigorous standards that : need to be upheld to make them visually clear and engaging -- at least : enough to ensure that the information on the page gets received accurately : and completely by the reader that's killing time instead of working.
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