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Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns
Posted By: RyokoTKDate: 3/2/12 5:27 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns (Forrest of B.org)

: What do you mean by "column-style websites"? If it's fixed, then
: it's not using "column style" like I was meaning, splitting into
: multiple columns at larger sizes. Is it just always broken into columns
: within that 1024px?

: Likewise this. How is it a columnar format but doesn't use multiple columns?

No, it's one big column at a fixed width. Sorry I don't know the terminology? The layout is thin and long.

: I find it annoying to have a window filled with nothing and still have to
: scroll to get at content that could have been on screen already, and more
: attractive when a smart, responsive site makes better use of that space.
: The latter gems are still rare, but huge monitors are still new, and the
: best solutions are still being figured out. I imagine as browser windows
: much wider than they are tall become more common, we will see more and
: more sites taking advantage of that space instead of pretending it's still
: 2000 and everyone's screen is 1024 pixels wide.

It's not like this MediaQuery stuff is an arcane secret that the bigname developers don't know about. If Youtube wanted to have all of its boxes rearrange themselves based on screen width, they would.

: You give red and green a pass for Christmas, because they are thematic of
: Christmas. They are also thematic of Marathon. This is a niche site for a
: niche topic and should reflect the theme of that topic accordingly,
: somehow (with room for better or worse implementations, and I am adapting
: some of your earlier suggestions in an improved implementation).

Someone in this thread -- and I couldn't find the post -- also said that it wasn't really necessary to be that heavy-handed with the Marathon visual themes on the website, which is something I agree with. We get plenty of Marathon in the game. Making the news posts look like terminals isn't the make-or-break level of authenticity that will bring in new players.

Also, "green and red" really isn't thematic of Marathon any more than any other two color choices. Yeah, I'm aware of Durandal/Tycho, but they aren't really in the same screens together, so their color choices don't actually matter beyond "well Tycho is evil so he gets to be red." If anything, red/yellow/purple is more thematic of the game considering you're going to see that a lot more often.

: I was originally considering having the
: banner in original Marathon splash screen blue, for a full color triad,
: but decided against it as it could clash with the Mullins images that
: would cycle behind it. Together with the gold hover styles on the buttons
: and links (to match Marathon 2 & Infinity's gold button-active
: styles), it's really got a red-yellow-green color triad, which is quite
: common and perfectly balanced (60 degrees apart from each hue).

: I typically use a method very similar to the color scheme picker Joho linked,
: by the way; all of Eternal's texture set color choices were generated that
: way. (Marathon and Jjaro are green, with gold and teal supporting, and
: sparse magenta opposing; Pfhor is magenta, with red and blue supporting,
: and sparse green opposing; S'pht is orange, with red and gold supporting,
: and sparse azure supporting; 'Forerunner' is azure, with teal and blue
: supporting, and sparse orange opposing).

: I use a proper RGB color wheel instead of that antiquated RYB one, though, by
: which red and green are no more contrasting than your alternative of green
: and blue. You can easily prove to yourself that red and green are not
: biologically perceived as opposites, by the way; open a new browser tab,
: inspect the body and give it a background of #F00;, stare at that giant
: wall of red for a minute, then without looking away open a new tab, and
: see the vivid cyan before your eyes, not green. Then let your eyes adjust,
: go back and change it to #0F0 instead, stare at the wall of green for a
: minute, then open a new tab and be greeted with a bright magenta, not red.

: It's only an old western cultural bias that makes us think of red and green
: as opposites; we don't give the blue end of the spectrum nearly enough
: representation. Some languages have common names for, and make
: distinctions between, colors that most westerners would think of as three
: shades of blue, but which are really as distinct as red, orange, and
: yellow, which we can clearly distinguish between.

All this is fine, but the colors still clash when they're both on black in equal weight.

Why don't you try making another mock-up so we can talk about that rather than theorycrafting over this or that.

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                                                                 Draft 4 - better variable columnsForrest of B.org 2/29/12 12:40 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Draft 4 - better variable columnsRyokoTK 2/29/12 4:41 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Draft 4 - better variable columnsRyokoTK 2/29/12 7:28 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Draft 4 - better variable columnsW'rkncacnter 2/29/12 8:02 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Draft 4 - better variable columnsForrest of B.org 2/29/12 8:57 p.m.
                                                                                         check out mediaqueries if you haven't yet.Johannes Gunnar 2/29/12 10:14 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: check out mediaqueries if you haven't yet.Forrest of B.org 2/29/12 11:45 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: check out mediaqueries if you haven't yet.Johannes Gunnar 3/1/12 2:08 a.m.
                                                                                                           ...alsoJohannes Gunnar 3/1/12 2:15 a.m.
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                                                                                               Re: Draft 4 - better variable columns *NM* *LINK*Johannes Gunnar 3/1/12 9:30 a.m.
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                                                                                   Re: Draft 4 - better variable columnsDiogenes 2/29/12 11:38 a.m.
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                                                                       And they never paid me for it, either! *NM*Bob-B-Q 2/28/12 12:10 p.m.
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           traxus overhaulChristTrekker 2/23/12 6:28 a.m.
                 Re: traxus overhaulForrest of B.org 2/23/12 6:31 p.m.
           Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.orgBob-B-Q 2/23/12 6:37 a.m.
                 Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.orgmchief111 2/23/12 7:01 a.m.
                       Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.orgukimalefu 2/23/12 8:36 a.m.
                             Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.orgpoena.dare 2/23/12 8:57 a.m.
           Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.orgpoena.dare 2/23/12 6:41 a.m.
                 Re: Big ideas for marathon.bungie.orgChristTrekker 2/23/12 7:50 a.m.
     Re: marathon.bungie.orgtreellama 3/3/12 6:56 p.m.
           Re: marathon.bungie.orgRyokoTK 3/3/12 7:23 p.m.
           Re: marathon.bungie.orgForrest of B.org 3/3/12 8:47 p.m.
                 Re: marathon.bungie.org *LINK*W'rkncacnter 3/3/12 9:44 p.m.
                       Re: marathon.bungie.orgukimalefu 3/4/12 3:05 a.m.
                 Re: marathon.bungie.orgGodot 3/3/12 11:19 p.m.
                       Re: marathon.bungie.orgJohannes Gunnar 3/3/12 11:47 p.m.
           Re: marathon.bungie.orgGodot 3/3/12 11:18 p.m.
                 Re: marathon.bungie.orgW'rkncacnter 3/3/12 11:25 p.m.
                       Re: marathon.bungie.orgGodot 3/3/12 11:58 p.m.
                             Re: marathon.bungie.orgtreellama 3/4/12 7:54 a.m.
                                   Re: marathon.bungie.orgGodot 3/4/12 8:25 a.m.
                                         Re: marathon.bungie.orgtreellama 3/4/12 8:45 a.m.
                                         Re: marathon.bungie.orgGodot 3/4/12 8:46 a.m.
                                               Re: marathon.bungie.orgGodot 3/4/12 9:17 a.m.
                                                     Re: marathon.bungie.orgtreellama 3/4/12 9:27 a.m.
                                                           Re: marathon.bungie.orgRyokoTK 3/4/12 10:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: marathon.bungie.orgW'rkncacnter 3/4/12 10:48 a.m.
                                                           Re: marathon.bungie.orgtreellama 3/4/12 6:20 p.m.
                 Re: marathon.bungie.orgtreellama 3/4/12 4:33 a.m.
           Re: marathon.bungie.orgForrest of B.org 3/4/12 12:26 a.m.
                 Re: marathon.bungie.orgRyokoTK 3/4/12 4:30 a.m.
                 Re: marathon.bungie.orgJohannes Gunnar 3/4/12 4:51 a.m.
                 Re: marathon.bungie.orgtreellama 3/4/12 8:31 a.m.
                       Re: marathon.bungie.orgtreellama 3/5/12 5:47 p.m.
                             Re: marathon.bungie.orgW'rkncacnter 3/5/12 5:58 p.m.
                             Re: marathon.bungie.orgForrest of B.org 3/5/12 8:28 p.m.
                                   Re: marathon.bungie.orgForrest of B.org 3/5/12 10:20 p.m.
                             Re: marathon.bungie.orgGodot 3/5/12 11:20 p.m.
                             Re: marathon.bungie.orgukimalefu 3/6/12 12:55 a.m.
                 Re: marathon.bungie.orgForrest of B.org 3/4/12 11:57 p.m.
                       Re: marathon.bungie.orgukimalefu 3/5/12 2:12 a.m.
                       Re: marathon.bungie.orgRyokoTK 3/5/12 6:09 p.m.
           Re: marathon.bungie.orgukimalefu 3/4/12 2:56 a.m.
                 Re: marathon.bungie.orgBob-B-Q 3/4/12 6:38 a.m.
           Re: marathon.bungie.orgTycho 3/4/12 7:06 a.m.
                 Re: marathon.bungie.orgRyokoTK 3/4/12 7:35 a.m.
                       Re: marathon.bungie.orgHopper 3/4/12 10:09 a.m.
                       Re: marathon.bungie.orgForrest of B.org 3/4/12 11:34 a.m.
     This might be a little redundant...Diogenes 3/5/12 12:04 p.m.
           Re: This might be a little redundant...poena.dare 3/5/12 2:35 p.m.
                 Re: This might be a little redundant...Diogenes 3/5/12 2:40 p.m.
                       Re: This might be a little redundant...poena.dare 3/5/12 5:31 p.m.
           Re: This might be a little redundant...Forrest of B.org 3/5/12 8:14 p.m.
                 Re: This might be a little redundant...Forrest of B.org 3/5/12 8:30 p.m.
                       Re: This might be a little redundant...RyokoTK 3/5/12 9:21 p.m.
                 Re: This might be a little redundant...RyokoTK 3/5/12 9:17 p.m.
                       Re: This might be a little redundant...Forrest of B.org 3/5/12 9:45 p.m.
                             Re: This might be a little redundant...Diogenes 3/6/12 5:04 a.m.
           Re: This might be a little redundant...Diogenes 3/6/12 5:17 a.m.

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