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Boo this man. *longish*
Posted By: Gravemind <kuukan_no_kage@yahoo.com>Date: 4/23/11 6:23 p.m.

In Response To: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain Remake (Dani)


You say "We know 343i have the Reach engine so why not use it to remake Halo?"

I say "Horrible idea." Gutting Halo 1's assets and replacing them with Reach's assets would result in a completely different game, and if wanted to play a game that felt like Reach, I'd play Reach. What you're effectively asking for is a Reach Campaign & MP expansion masquerading as Halo 1. Each game feels different from the other due to having different tech under the hood. There's nothing you can really do to emulate Halo 1's feel with Reach's (or Halo 3's, or Halo 2's) engine. At best you're going to get a rough approximation. The only way to ensure the game remains faithful to the original is to do an enhanced port a la Perfect Dark XBLA. I say, the few changes, the better. The more you change, the less it feels like the same game. It takes more than just balancing the weapons they way they were in Halo 1 to make it faithful to the original.

Now, think of all the big-name titles and cult classics that have received enhanced ports that were completely faithful to the original in terms of gameplay and overall feel. Super Mario 1, 2, & 3 got re-released together as Super Mario All-Stars and seperately as the Super Mario Advance series. Sony has given similar treatments through its new Classics HD line to titles like God of War I & II as well as Ico and Shadow of the Colossus. We've seen it done with Perfect Dark. And of course there's been plenty of straight ports that only have the addition of online multiplayer: TMNT Arcade, Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Marathon, etc.

Can you imagine if someone said, "Eh. Instead of re-releasing the SNES version of SMB All-Stars for the Wii, they should've just remade all three games to look and play like New Super Mario Bros. Wii." or "Instead of just bumping up the textures and adding online MP & co-op for Perfect Dark XBLA, they should just make it play like Perfect Dark Zero." Do you honestly think that would fly? Hell no. So why for the love of God are so many so-called Halo fans so keen on seeing what would be a "prettier" (Reach's graphics may offer higher-res textures and poly counts, but IMO it just looks too dirty/grainy/fuzzy) but ultimately bastardized version of the original?

And then you go on to state that there should be no online MP. Excuse me, but what the hell's the point of a re-release if half the damn game's missing? That would for me defeat the whole purpose of a re-release. I haven't been able to play Halo 1 MP in such a long time since LANs are a rare occasion and have been since Halo 2 came out and everyone got XBL. Before you say "Go buy H1 PC" let me state that A) my computer sucks and can't play games, and besides B) I already have something I can play online games with, i.e. my 360, and C) H1PC has shoddy netcode from what I understand. If it doesn't offer the total package, I'm not interested. I can already play Campaign right now and "Oooh! Pretty graphics!", achievements, or any other such nonsense isn't going to sell me on a Campaign-only re-release.

Oh, and you're worried about the player base of Reach? I think Reach has more to worry about from whatever new hotness everyone migrates to this fall. It already took a big hit when Black Ops came out, and now Gears 3, Modern Warfare 3, and Battlefield 3 are all on the horizon. I can guarantee you that MS doesn't care, so long as everyone's playing on XBL. They got their $60 per person already. As for 343i, I don't think they'd care about whatever part of Reach's player base hops over to a Halo 1 port, since after all those players will still be playing a Halo game. What's the worst that'll happen? The playlist selection in Reach gets consolidated? Big whoop. It's going to happen eventually. Hell, it'll probably happen by years end with or without a Halo 1 re-release.

Then you go on to suggest that 343i should add soft-kill barriers and other methods of curtailing exploration to the Campaign. No. Just no. You should be thrown out of the airlock for even thinking that, much less writing it down for everyone to read. That's just utter blasphemy. I can't think of a single hardcore Halo fan, trickers or not, who have thought that Bungie's insistence on adding more and more barriers to exploration is a good thing. I want to climb to the top of the mountains on Halo-the-level, I want to descend to the bottom of the substation on Silent Cartographer, and I want to grab a Banshee on AotCR and fly to the bottom of the shaft at the beginning of the level. In the immortal words of Freddie Mercury "I WANT TO BREAK FREEEE!" If 343i added invisible walls to Halo 1's Campaign, it would be an affront to Halo fans everywhere.

Finally, you want 343i to replace the soundtrack. I think I'm gonna be sick. Unless I'm misreading you and you just want actual orchestras instead of MIDI tracks for the appropriate tracks, then you just spat in the face of Marty O'Donnell and his magnum opus. You do not screw with one of the greatest and most iconic soundtracks in the history of gaming.

Now, you do make some good points. You don't think they should screw with the story by doing things like adding more characters, you don't want them to add gamplay elements from later games like armor abilities, and you think it should be released on disc as opposed to being an XBLA title (though I'd accept it as an XBLA title as well). I can get behind all that. But the other stuff you've said would be such an egregious alteration of the game millions have loved for nearly 10 years. I don't want some imposter pretending to be Halo 1. I want Halo 1.

Here's what 343i should do if they're re-releasing Halo 1:


  • Give it the Perfect Dark treatment. Uprezzed textured, HD support, and online multiplayer & co-op over XBL. The latter would of course necessitate creating new netcode from scratch.

  • Add the MP maps from the PC version. Likewise, offer entirely new maps and/or remakes of other Halo maps (Lockout in H1? Yes please!) as DLC if possible.

  • Leave the gameplay alone for the love of all that is good and decent in the world. Don't change the physics, don't change the handling of the vehicles, and don't tweak any of the weapons. I don't care if the pistol's too powerful. Just don't make it a starting weapon except maybe on big maps. That's not to say there's a few tweaks I'd like to see (making the Needler more effective for MP by upping the projectile velocity), but I know when to leave well enough alone. The game is already put together well enough to where I'd rather they leave things as is than attempt to mess around with things and end up screwing up a whole bunch of other things.

  • If it uses traditional Halo online matchmaking it should be as streamlined as possible since Halo 1 didn't have as many gametypes as later games. Team Slayer, Team Objectives, BTB, and Rumble Pit should cover it.

And that's it. I'm a simple man of simple needs, and those are to be able to play a faithful port of my all-time favorite FPS (also the best-rated FPS ever tied with Perfect Dark and Metroid Prime) over XBL. And if it can be done for Doom, Duke Nukem, and Perfect Dark, 343i can do it for Halo. As Jean-Luc Picard would say "Make it so."

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Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeDani 4/23/11 12:26 p.m.
     Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeMoorpheusl9 4/23/11 12:39 p.m.
           Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeDani 4/23/11 1:06 p.m.
     11th Suggestion.Bones153 4/23/11 12:44 p.m.
           Re: 11th Suggestion.padraig08 4/23/11 1:16 p.m.
           Re: 12th Suggestion.DMFanella 4/23/11 1:27 p.m.
           "I never want a remake. Period." Mentality.NsU Soldier 4/23/11 7:23 p.m.
     Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakePkmnrulz240 4/23/11 12:53 p.m.
           Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeDani 4/23/11 1:15 p.m.
     One Amendmentpadraig08 4/23/11 1:10 p.m.
           Re: One AmendmentDani 4/23/11 1:18 p.m.
                 Re: One Amendmentpadraig08 4/23/11 1:31 p.m.
                       I remember thatSEspider 4/25/11 1:30 a.m.
     Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeTaco Power 4/23/11 1:42 p.m.
           Would prefer it remasted than remade meself *NM*Firestorm12 4/23/11 1:50 p.m.
     Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeCody Miller 4/23/11 1:45 p.m.
           Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeDani 4/23/11 2:03 p.m.
                 Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeCody Miller 4/23/11 2:07 p.m.
                       Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeDani 4/23/11 2:18 p.m.
                 Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeRC Master 4/23/11 3:53 p.m.
           Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeDHalo 4/23/11 2:11 p.m.
     Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeDHalo 4/23/11 2:08 p.m.
           We can rebuild it, we have the technologySonGoharotto 4/23/11 3:26 p.m.
                 Argh, want to reply to OP... *NM*SonGoharotto 4/23/11 3:29 p.m.
                 Re: We can rebuild it, we have the technologyQuirel 4/23/11 6:01 p.m.
                       Re: We can rebuild it, we have the technologySonGoharotto 4/24/11 8:09 a.m.
                             Re: We can rebuild it, we have the technologyQuirel 4/24/11 12:28 p.m.
                                   Re: We can rebuild it, we have the technologySonGoharotto 4/24/11 2:15 p.m.
                                         Re: We can rebuild it, we have the technologyQuirel 4/24/11 3:38 p.m.
                                               Re: We can rebuild it, we have the technologySonGoharotto 4/24/11 4:38 p.m.
                                                     Re: We can rebuild it, we have the technologyQuirel 4/24/11 10:22 p.m.
                                                           Re: We can rebuild it, we have the technologySonGoharotto 4/25/11 4:18 p.m.
     Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeBanditORR 4/23/11 2:13 p.m.
           Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeDani 4/23/11 2:18 p.m.
           Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeQuirel 4/23/11 5:49 p.m.
     "Softly Does It"Hyokin 4/23/11 2:17 p.m.
           Re: "Softly Does It"Dani 4/23/11 2:29 p.m.
                 Re: "Softly Does It"Hyokin 4/23/11 2:40 p.m.
                 Re: "Softly Does It"Kermit 4/23/11 2:58 p.m.
           Re: "Softly Does It"The BS Police 4/23/11 5:21 p.m.
                 Re: "Softly Does It"Hyokin 4/23/11 9:41 p.m.
                       Re: "Softly Does It"The BS Police 4/24/11 4:17 a.m.
                             Re: "Softly Does It"Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 4/24/11 5:21 a.m.
                                   Re: "Softly Does It"The BS Police 4/24/11 6:19 a.m.
                                         Re: "Softly Does It"Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 4/24/11 6:47 a.m.
                                               Re: "Softly Does It"The BS Police 4/24/11 7:13 a.m.
                                                     You just don't get it.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 4/24/11 7:29 a.m.
                                                           Re: You just don't get it.The BS Police 4/24/11 7:46 a.m.
                                                                 Re: You just don't get it.Kermit 4/24/11 8:37 a.m.
                                                                 Re: You just don't get it.Hyokin 4/24/11 11:59 a.m.
     I just don't care.uberfoop 4/23/11 3:16 p.m.
     Boo this man. *longish*Gravemind 4/23/11 6:23 p.m.
           Addendum.Gravemind 4/23/11 6:34 p.m.
           Re: Boo this man. *longish*Dani 4/23/11 6:52 p.m.
                 Re: Boo this man. *longish*DEEP NNN 4/23/11 7:05 p.m.
                       Re: Boo this man. *longish*Cody Miller 4/23/11 7:15 p.m.
                             Re: Boo this man. *longish*DEEP NNN 4/23/11 7:22 p.m.
           Re: Boo this man. *longish*Narcogen 4/24/11 11:12 p.m.
                 Re: Boo this man. *longish*Gravemind 4/25/11 2:35 p.m.
                       Re: Boo this man. *longish*Narcogen 4/26/11 1:48 a.m.
     Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeFyreWulff 4/23/11 6:59 p.m.
           I should addFyreWulff 4/23/11 7:02 p.m.
                 Re: I should addDani 4/23/11 7:16 p.m.
                       Re: I should addFyreWulff 4/23/11 7:21 p.m.
                             Re: I should addGeneral Vagueness 4/23/11 9:42 p.m.
                                   Re: I should addThe BS Police 4/24/11 8:36 a.m.
                                         Re: I should addGeneral Vagueness 4/24/11 11:09 a.m.
                                               Re: I should adduberfoop 4/24/11 2:06 p.m.
           Wait, what?uberfoop 4/24/11 2:25 a.m.
           Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeThe BS Police 4/24/11 4:12 a.m.
                 Before somebody takes that comment out of contextThe BS Police 4/24/11 6:26 a.m.
                       Re: Before somebody takes that comment out of contDEEP NNN 4/24/11 8:08 a.m.
                             Re: Before somebody takes that comment out of contThe BS Police 4/24/11 8:21 a.m.
           Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeGravemind 4/24/11 12:02 p.m.
     No new multiplayer!ElzarTheBam 4/23/11 7:00 p.m.
     Re: Ten Suggestions For A CErtain RemakeSEspider 4/25/11 1:23 a.m.
     "DUMB" are we?!SEspider 4/25/11 2:46 a.m.
           ::facepalm::Louis Wu 4/25/11 7:45 a.m.
                 Re: ::facepalm::Quirel 4/25/11 9:41 a.m.
                 Re: ::facepalm::CaneCutter 4/25/11 10:52 a.m.
                 Re: ::facepalm::Narcogen 4/26/11 1:53 a.m.
                       Re: ::facepalm::Dani 4/26/11 2:47 a.m.
                             Re: ::facepalm::Kermit 4/26/11 9:44 a.m.
                             Re: ::facepalm::Narcogen 4/27/11 12:12 a.m.
     HBO: Sarcasm? On the Internet? Impossible. *NM*General Vagueness 4/25/11 7:34 a.m.



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