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Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach
Posted By: ArchilenDate: 10/26/10 12:39 p.m.

In Response To: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach (General Battuta)


I think one of the main things that's changed between the games is the atmosphere. The first game's story and some of the events were particularly grim, but the overall atmosphere is adventurous and filled with sense of wonder. This same theme is present in Halo 2 and to some degree, 3, though in 3, some of that is gone. In ODST, I think it's reversed. The overall atmosphere is grim and dark, but the story is quite light and filled with hope. Everyone keeps making jokes and survives in the end. It was marketed as a darker story, but I don't think the story is the one that's dark.

Reach, on the other hand, is on the darker end of the spectrum. Both the story and the atmosphere are quite dark throughout. Exodus, in particular, felt grimdark to me because of all the destruction and chaos going on and you can't do a thing about it. Particularly the on-rails Falcon sequence, with the civilian transport being shot down and the marines' reactions. Then there's the way Kat dies; it's very brutal and abrupt. And, of course, Noble Six's death. Not many games kill off the player character, and that scene felt surprisingly powerful to me. So, I'll have to say Reach takes the cake on the grimdark contest.

If I had to choose, however, I prefer my Halo stories optimistic and filled with that "sense of wonder and exploration" present in the first games. Not too idealistic or naive, but retaining that feel of old-school science fiction.

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Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachGeneral Battuta 10/26/10 9:51 a.m.
     Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachLouis Wu 10/26/10 10:38 a.m.
           Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachGeneral Battuta 10/26/10 10:41 a.m.
                 Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/26/10 10:57 a.m.
           Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reachbluerunner 10/26/10 10:49 a.m.
                 Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachMazz 10/26/10 11:06 a.m.
                       Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/26/10 11:12 a.m.
                             Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reachbluerunner 10/26/10 11:19 a.m.
                             Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachArchilen 10/26/10 11:38 a.m.
                                   Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/26/10 12:46 p.m.
                                         Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachBry 10/26/10 1:35 p.m.
                                               Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/26/10 2:06 p.m.
                                                     Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachBry 10/26/10 2:13 p.m.
                                                           Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachStephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/26/10 5:56 p.m.
                       Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reachtucsonbatman 10/26/10 3:06 p.m.
     agh frontpagedGeneral Battuta 10/26/10 10:50 a.m.
           Hey what the hell?!GrimBrother One 10/26/10 10:55 a.m.
                 Re: Hey what the hell?!General Battuta 10/26/10 10:56 a.m.
                       Yeeeaaahhh. THAT'S what I'm talking about. ;-) *NM*GrimBrother One 10/26/10 10:57 a.m.
                       that's better, we forgive you. *NM*GrimBrother IV 10/26/10 11:43 a.m.
     Halo 1 is more suggestive, too.uberfoop 10/26/10 11:38 a.m.
           like this pointGeneral Battuta 10/26/10 11:39 a.m.
                 Re: like this pointbluerunner 10/26/10 11:42 a.m.
                       Re: like this pointGeneral Battuta 10/26/10 11:44 a.m.
                             Re: like this pointManKitten 10/26/10 11:57 a.m.
                                   Re: like this pointGeneral Battuta 10/26/10 12:01 p.m.
                                         cannot spellGeneral Battuta 10/26/10 12:02 p.m.
                                         Re: like this pointLeisandir 10/28/10 9:34 a.m.
                                   Re: like this pointDruke 10/26/10 12:08 p.m.
                                         This, very much :) *NM*thebruce0 10/26/10 1:12 p.m.
                                         Ah, indeed.ZackDark 10/26/10 5:08 p.m.
                                               *pictures home alone moment* *NM*thebruce0 10/27/10 8:33 a.m.
                 Alien vs AliensWayward Spleen™ 10/26/10 1:24 p.m.
                       Re: Alien vs AliensGeneral Battuta 10/26/10 1:33 p.m.
                             Re: Alien vs AliensTex 10/26/10 1:44 p.m.
                                   Re: Alien vs AliensGeneral Battuta 10/26/10 1:51 p.m.
                                         Re: Alien vs AliensWayward Spleen™ 10/26/10 1:56 p.m.
                                               Re: Alien vs AliensGeneral Battuta 10/26/10 2:06 p.m.
                                         Re: Alien vs AliensTex 10/26/10 1:58 p.m.
                                               Re: Alien vs AliensBeckx 10/26/10 2:14 p.m.
                                                     Re: Alien vs AliensTex 10/26/10 2:53 p.m.
           Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too.Druke 10/26/10 12:18 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too.Druke 10/26/10 12:20 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too.General Battuta 10/26/10 12:20 p.m.
                       Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too.Druke 10/26/10 12:29 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too.thebruce0 10/26/10 1:14 p.m.
                       Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/26/10 1:18 p.m.
                             Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too.General Battuta 10/26/10 1:22 p.m.
                             Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too.Archilen 10/26/10 1:27 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too.uberfoop 10/26/10 3:45 p.m.
     Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach0postmortem0 10/26/10 12:05 p.m.
     You know what I'd love? Covenant Commando.RyanTheHeretic 10/26/10 12:14 p.m.
           Re: You know what I'd love? Covenant Commando.General Battuta 10/26/10 12:17 p.m.
           Re: You know what I'd love? Covenant Commando.GrimBrother One 10/26/10 1:53 p.m.
                 Re: You know what I'd love? Covenant Commando.Bry 10/26/10 2:08 p.m.
           Re: You know what I'd love? Covenant Commando.topleybird 10/26/10 1:54 p.m.
           I think I love you.padraig08 10/26/10 5:08 p.m.
     My Views...Leviathan 10/26/10 12:21 p.m.
           Re: My Views...General Battuta 10/26/10 12:41 p.m.
           Re: My Views...mattroe 10/27/10 4:27 a.m.
           Re: My Views...Bry 10/27/10 7:04 a.m.
                 Re: My Views...thebruce0 10/27/10 8:32 a.m.
                       Re: My Views...General Battuta 10/27/10 8:45 a.m.
                       Re: My Views...Bry 10/27/10 9:03 a.m.
                             Re: My Views...SonofMacPhisto 10/27/10 1:32 p.m.
                                   Re: My Views...Bry 10/27/10 1:40 p.m.
                 Re: My Views...JDQuackers 10/27/10 12:53 p.m.
                       Re: My Views...Bry 10/27/10 1:10 p.m.
     Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-ReachArchilen 10/26/10 12:39 p.m.
     Halo as a whole lacks grim darkHikaru-119 10/27/10 3:12 p.m.
           Re: Halo as a whole lacks grim darkGeneral Battuta 10/27/10 7:01 p.m.
                 Re: Halo as a whole lacks grim darkHikaru-119 10/27/10 7:50 p.m.



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