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Posted By: General Battuta <seth.dickinson@gmail.com> | Date: 10/26/10 10:50 a.m. |
In Response To: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach (General Battuta) Must quickly patch up holes! There's a difference between tonal grimness and narrative grimness. Tonal grimness is how grim it _feels_; the amount of dirt on the tapestry, so to speak. Reach is tonally very grim, with somber music, jittery camerawork, and subdued dialogue. Narrative grimness is about what happens, both onscreen and to a lesser degree off, and to what degree it receives narrative attention. Halo 3 had a lot of very grim things happen but didn't pay much attention to them, for instance. And grim isn't necessarily good, but it is something Bungie has repeatedly aimed for, to varying degrees. Ask anyone who was around during the buildup to Halo 2 about the difference between the E3 demo and the final product and they'll probably mention something about how dark and desperate the E3 demo and the reveal trailer felt. I should do a little thing on ODST too, because it actually continues the trend of promising grim and turning out remarkably cheerful (barring Sadie's Story with its rapist cop.)
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Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | General Battuta | 10/26/10 9:51 a.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | Louis Wu | 10/26/10 10:38 a.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | General Battuta | 10/26/10 10:41 a.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 10/26/10 10:57 a.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | bluerunner | 10/26/10 10:49 a.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | Mazz | 10/26/10 11:06 a.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 10/26/10 11:12 a.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | bluerunner | 10/26/10 11:19 a.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | Archilen | 10/26/10 11:38 a.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 10/26/10 12:46 p.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | Bry | 10/26/10 1:35 p.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 10/26/10 2:06 p.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | Bry | 10/26/10 2:13 p.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 10/26/10 5:56 p.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | tucsonbatman | 10/26/10 3:06 p.m. |
agh frontpaged | General Battuta | 10/26/10 10:50 a.m. |
Hey what the hell?! | GrimBrother One | 10/26/10 10:55 a.m. |
Re: Hey what the hell?! | General Battuta | 10/26/10 10:56 a.m. |
Yeeeaaahhh. THAT'S what I'm talking about. ;-) *NM* | GrimBrother One | 10/26/10 10:57 a.m. |
that's better, we forgive you. *NM* | GrimBrother IV | 10/26/10 11:43 a.m. |
Halo 1 is more suggestive, too. | uberfoop | 10/26/10 11:38 a.m. |
like this point | General Battuta | 10/26/10 11:39 a.m. |
Re: like this point | bluerunner | 10/26/10 11:42 a.m. |
Re: like this point | General Battuta | 10/26/10 11:44 a.m. |
Re: like this point | ManKitten | 10/26/10 11:57 a.m. |
Re: like this point | General Battuta | 10/26/10 12:01 p.m. |
cannot spell | General Battuta | 10/26/10 12:02 p.m. |
Re: like this point | Leisandir | 10/28/10 9:34 a.m. |
Re: like this point | Druke | 10/26/10 12:08 p.m. |
This, very much :) *NM* | thebruce0 | 10/26/10 1:12 p.m. |
Ah, indeed. | ZackDark | 10/26/10 5:08 p.m. |
*pictures home alone moment* *NM* | thebruce0 | 10/27/10 8:33 a.m. |
Alien vs Aliens | Wayward Spleen™ | 10/26/10 1:24 p.m. |
Re: Alien vs Aliens | General Battuta | 10/26/10 1:33 p.m. |
Re: Alien vs Aliens | Tex | 10/26/10 1:44 p.m. |
Re: Alien vs Aliens | General Battuta | 10/26/10 1:51 p.m. |
Re: Alien vs Aliens | Wayward Spleen™ | 10/26/10 1:56 p.m. |
Re: Alien vs Aliens | General Battuta | 10/26/10 2:06 p.m. |
Re: Alien vs Aliens | Tex | 10/26/10 1:58 p.m. |
Re: Alien vs Aliens | Beckx | 10/26/10 2:14 p.m. |
Re: Alien vs Aliens | Tex | 10/26/10 2:53 p.m. |
Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too. | Druke | 10/26/10 12:18 p.m. |
Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too. | Druke | 10/26/10 12:20 p.m. |
Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too. | General Battuta | 10/26/10 12:20 p.m. |
Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too. | Druke | 10/26/10 12:29 p.m. |
Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too. | thebruce0 | 10/26/10 1:14 p.m. |
Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too. | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 10/26/10 1:18 p.m. |
Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too. | General Battuta | 10/26/10 1:22 p.m. |
Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too. | Archilen | 10/26/10 1:27 p.m. |
Re: Halo 1 is more suggestive, too. | uberfoop | 10/26/10 3:45 p.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | 0postmortem0 | 10/26/10 12:05 p.m. |
You know what I'd love? Covenant Commando. | RyanTheHeretic | 10/26/10 12:14 p.m. |
Re: You know what I'd love? Covenant Commando. | General Battuta | 10/26/10 12:17 p.m. |
Re: You know what I'd love? Covenant Commando. | GrimBrother One | 10/26/10 1:53 p.m. |
Re: You know what I'd love? Covenant Commando. | Bry | 10/26/10 2:08 p.m. |
Re: You know what I'd love? Covenant Commando. | topleybird | 10/26/10 1:54 p.m. |
I think I love you. | padraig08 | 10/26/10 5:08 p.m. |
My Views... | Leviathan | 10/26/10 12:21 p.m. |
Re: My Views... | General Battuta | 10/26/10 12:41 p.m. |
Re: My Views... | mattroe | 10/27/10 4:27 a.m. |
Re: My Views... | Bry | 10/27/10 7:04 a.m. |
Re: My Views... | thebruce0 | 10/27/10 8:32 a.m. |
Re: My Views... | General Battuta | 10/27/10 8:45 a.m. |
Re: My Views... | Bry | 10/27/10 9:03 a.m. |
Re: My Views... | SonofMacPhisto | 10/27/10 1:32 p.m. |
Re: My Views... | Bry | 10/27/10 1:40 p.m. |
Re: My Views... | JDQuackers | 10/27/10 12:53 p.m. |
Re: My Views... | Bry | 10/27/10 1:10 p.m. |
Re: Comparative Grimdark Levels, H1-Reach | Archilen | 10/26/10 12:39 p.m. |
Halo as a whole lacks grim dark | Hikaru-119 | 10/27/10 3:12 p.m. |
Re: Halo as a whole lacks grim dark | General Battuta | 10/27/10 7:01 p.m. |
Re: Halo as a whole lacks grim dark | Hikaru-119 | 10/27/10 7:50 p.m. |
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