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Re: End of the Evaluation
Posted By: Nick <NickHBO@comcast.net>Date: 1/27/04 4:02 a.m.

In Response To: Re: End of the Evaluation (Count Zero)

: Yes, I have.

Cool, a commonality.

: The point I was trying to make, apparently too indirectly, is that I disagree
: with your statement that integrating Havok into an existing game would be
: easy, especially if said gane is as far along in development as Halo 2 is
: generally accepted to be. If they had decided to use Havok at the very
: start of design, it would have been easier, but then they would not have
: made the statements that they were developing their own physics which
: several people in this thread remember.

I got the point of what you were trying to say and, in my own subtle way, disagreeing with it. I don't know at what point in the development cycle Bungie choose to try Havok 2 or if they used Havok 1 up until the second generation engine was released. However, I know that other developers have seen easy integration with their projects and as you've said, depending on when they chose to try Havok 2, it could be easier or harder than I made it sound.

With that point aside, they still would've had two months after Havok 2's release at the GDC to integrate it with the tree and have it up and running to show off at E3. That is ample time to integrate it no matter what stage they were at - some developers (very early in the development stage) have integrated Havok 2 in a single day, or so I've read.

Back to the statements about the in house physics engine, hmm? Well, even if somebody could provide a link to when it was said, it doesn't mean they couldn't change their mind and seize a better opportunity later on. Who cares about self-image if somebody is doing something better than you and you can use it?

: It's usually better to try to notice the point where there's really nothing
: to say that's not already in some other post in the thread, and that if it
: didn't convince someone before it's not going to convince them this time
: either.

I understand there is a point where the topic is, for all intents and purposes, dead. However, what if the person didn't read all of the replies before posting? What if they missed something while reading it the first time? I guess we can say there is an exception for everything and one should always assume the person read what was previously posted, but I do like to point it out directly to them so I know they saw it.

-Nick

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Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/25/04 9:24 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineHaloNater 1/25/04 9:28 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineSlimby 1/25/04 9:35 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineHaloNater 1/25/04 9:43 p.m.
                       Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineAlexander Valient 1/26/04 9:32 a.m.
           Havok 2 Physics Engine - MoviesNeurotic 1/25/04 9:38 p.m.
                 Re: Havok 2 Physics Engine - MoviesMantis819 1/25/04 9:50 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineRip-Saw 1/25/04 10:22 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/25/04 11:23 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineDark Bastion 1/25/04 10:27 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/25/04 11:36 p.m.
     Oh my.... thats cool.....Mr.Mongoose 1/25/04 10:53 p.m.
           Re: Oh my.... thats cool.....Nick 1/25/04 11:46 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineDan Chosich 1/25/04 10:58 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineLt Devon 1/25/04 11:01 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineSpartan_-X- 1/25/04 11:07 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineDylan 1/26/04 8:18 a.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/26/04 12:20 a.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineCount Zero 1/26/04 12:31 a.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/26/04 12:56 a.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineWalshicus 1/26/04 10:22 a.m.
                       Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/26/04 3:01 p.m.
           Not true.Blitzkrieg 1/26/04 12:07 p.m.
                 Re: Not true.Nick 1/26/04 3:05 p.m.
           not to mentionoddworld18 1/26/04 3:18 p.m.
                 Re: not to mentionBOLL 1/26/04 3:26 p.m.
                 Nop, it uses HavokNick 1/26/04 4:11 p.m.
                       Re: Nop, it uses Havokopie301 1/26/04 5:27 p.m.
                             Re: Nop, it uses HavokNick 1/26/04 5:37 p.m.
                                   Re: Nop, it uses HavokAztec 1/26/04 6:33 p.m.
                                         Re: Nop, it uses HavokNick 1/26/04 6:36 p.m.
                                         Re: Nop, it uses HavokKOPD 1/26/04 6:49 p.m.
                                               Re: Nop, it uses HavokNick 1/26/04 7:30 p.m.
                                   End of the Evaluationopie301 1/26/04 6:37 p.m.
                                         Well said. *NM*XLNC 1/26/04 7:07 p.m.
                                         Re: End of the EvaluationNick 1/26/04 7:24 p.m.
                                               Re: End of the EvaluationAztec 1/26/04 7:41 p.m.
                                               Bygones and such...opie301 1/26/04 8:35 p.m.
                                                     Re: Bygones and such...Nick 1/26/04 11:50 p.m.
                                                           Re: Bygones and such...KOPD 1/26/04 11:58 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Bygones and such...Nick 1/27/04 12:14 a.m.
                                                                       Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.KOPD 1/27/04 12:18 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.Nick 1/27/04 12:35 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.Aztec 1/27/04 12:40 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.KOPD 1/27/04 12:44 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.Aztec 1/27/04 12:54 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.KOPD 1/27/04 12:55 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.Stefander 1/27/04 1:36 a.m.
                                                           Re: Bygones and such...Aztec 1/27/04 12:02 a.m.
                                               Re: End of the EvaluationCount Zero 1/26/04 9:53 p.m.
                                                     Re: End of the EvaluationNick 1/26/04 10:23 p.m.
                                                           Re: End of the EvaluationWado SG 1/27/04 12:32 a.m.
                                                                 Re: End of the EvaluationNick 1/27/04 1:12 a.m.
                                                                       Re: End of the EvaluationCount Zero 1/27/04 3:01 a.m.
                                                                             Re: End of the EvaluationNick 1/27/04 4:02 a.m.
                                                                                   Enough.Louis Wu 1/27/04 5:56 a.m.
                                                                                         A final retort.Nick 1/27/04 7:02 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: A final retort.Louis Wu 1/27/04 7:26 a.m.
                                                                                                     This is exactly what I'm talking about.Nick 1/27/04 1:51 p.m.
                                                                                                           For the record...KOPD 1/27/04 2:06 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: This is exactly what I'm talking about.Count Zero 1/27/04 9:15 p.m.
                       Lies!Lt Devon 1/26/04 7:12 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineSledgefare 1/26/04 11:19 a.m.



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