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Re: End of the Evaluation
Posted By: Nick <NickHBO@comcast.net>Date: 1/27/04 1:12 a.m.

In Response To: Re: End of the Evaluation (Wado SG)

First off I want to say thanks for being one of the most reasonable posters in the thread and actually giving you post some good content. However, you've dug yourself in deep because this is getting a long reply ;P

: Why did I see this coming. Actually, Nick, remember that the Count is one of
: the most level-headed, no-nonsense guys to post here.

See what coming? I've got no problems with Count Zero, I know he's a great guy and helps with the site. I just replied to his question and asked it back. It was nothing personal.

: Funny thing about this is that, for example, just prior to the announcement
: of Microsoft purchasing Bungie, some guy went on the forum to say that
: Microsoft was going to purchase Bungie and he got flamed and called a
: liar, etc. The point here is that the guy had insider information and
: really was being a prick to argue that something was going to happen when
: it hadn't officially been announced.

That was a bit before my time but I could see why he was flamed, Bungie being so pro-Mac and all. However, I don't think this is "insider information", probably just somebody at Havok putting a bit too much info into a company overview and sending it off to an investor.

: Anyway, you aren't being a prick, Nick, but there's no sense in talking about
: middleware and Havoc any further than speculation, if it is being used,
: there will be plenty of credit later and you can then come back and say
: you were right. In the mean time, anything in the grounds of insider
: information should not be discussed, we are dealing with stockholders and
: legal and ethical issues.

Well thanks for not calling me a prick like somebody else in this thread. I'm not looking for credit, I just thought it was really cool because Half-Life 2's physics kick ass and I think Bungie can take it to another level. I don't want people to say I'm right, give me a cookie, or anything like that. I just wanted to share the info and then ended up defending why it was possible that Bungie was using it, so much for the basics :P.

Once again I don't see where the insider information is coming from but I agree if there were insider information, this isn't the place for it (unless it's from Bungie).

: Many system architectures are moving to third-party middleware for many
: business applications. A physics engine middleware makes sense, but only
: if it is in the architectural model. Microsoft is a large enough company
: that if they use a third-party, they are very likely looking at
: acquisition of that third-party company or at least buying the source code
: and then creating an internal product out of it.

They may in fact have bough the code and are using it internally. I noticed two other Microsoft games use Havok, Brute Force and Freelancer. Could be that or maybe they've just grown to like Havok and keep out sourcing to them. However, the point you bring up is an interesting one, maybe there is no news about it on the Havok site because Bungie doesn't need to acquire the license since Microsoft owns a multi-license or unlimited license.

: In other words, say no more about this. Only time will tell. There is no
: sense in verifying anything without an official press release. These are
: business matters, not game development cycles. Understood?

Well, I would say that I am not going to reply any more but I just can't make myself do it and I'll tell you why. If I were to say "Ok, no more replies for me, I'll drop it." somebody would come along and say something I felt overwhelmingly compelled to reply to. At that point I'd make a reply and somebody would go back, see what I wrote, then make a post pointing out I said I would no longer reply. If this were to happen, I would look like a dumbass, like KOPD did.

I'll try to keep my replies to a minimum but I do enjoy talking about game development and I also like to reply to everybody that replies to me. The way I look at it, if you took the time to give me a response, I should take the time to give you a good one back.

: Cheers

Thanks for the reply.

-Nick


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Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/25/04 9:24 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineHaloNater 1/25/04 9:28 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineSlimby 1/25/04 9:35 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineHaloNater 1/25/04 9:43 p.m.
                       Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineAlexander Valient 1/26/04 9:32 a.m.
           Havok 2 Physics Engine - MoviesNeurotic 1/25/04 9:38 p.m.
                 Re: Havok 2 Physics Engine - MoviesMantis819 1/25/04 9:50 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineRip-Saw 1/25/04 10:22 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/25/04 11:23 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineDark Bastion 1/25/04 10:27 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/25/04 11:36 p.m.
     Oh my.... thats cool.....Mr.Mongoose 1/25/04 10:53 p.m.
           Re: Oh my.... thats cool.....Nick 1/25/04 11:46 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineDan Chosich 1/25/04 10:58 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineLt Devon 1/25/04 11:01 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineSpartan_-X- 1/25/04 11:07 p.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineDylan 1/26/04 8:18 a.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/26/04 12:20 a.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineCount Zero 1/26/04 12:31 a.m.
           Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/26/04 12:56 a.m.
                 Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineWalshicus 1/26/04 10:22 a.m.
                       Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineNick 1/26/04 3:01 p.m.
           Not true.Blitzkrieg 1/26/04 12:07 p.m.
                 Re: Not true.Nick 1/26/04 3:05 p.m.
           not to mentionoddworld18 1/26/04 3:18 p.m.
                 Re: not to mentionBOLL 1/26/04 3:26 p.m.
                 Nop, it uses HavokNick 1/26/04 4:11 p.m.
                       Re: Nop, it uses Havokopie301 1/26/04 5:27 p.m.
                             Re: Nop, it uses HavokNick 1/26/04 5:37 p.m.
                                   Re: Nop, it uses HavokAztec 1/26/04 6:33 p.m.
                                         Re: Nop, it uses HavokNick 1/26/04 6:36 p.m.
                                         Re: Nop, it uses HavokKOPD 1/26/04 6:49 p.m.
                                               Re: Nop, it uses HavokNick 1/26/04 7:30 p.m.
                                   End of the Evaluationopie301 1/26/04 6:37 p.m.
                                         Well said. *NM*XLNC 1/26/04 7:07 p.m.
                                         Re: End of the EvaluationNick 1/26/04 7:24 p.m.
                                               Re: End of the EvaluationAztec 1/26/04 7:41 p.m.
                                               Bygones and such...opie301 1/26/04 8:35 p.m.
                                                     Re: Bygones and such...Nick 1/26/04 11:50 p.m.
                                                           Re: Bygones and such...KOPD 1/26/04 11:58 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Bygones and such...Nick 1/27/04 12:14 a.m.
                                                                       Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.KOPD 1/27/04 12:18 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.Nick 1/27/04 12:35 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.Aztec 1/27/04 12:40 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.KOPD 1/27/04 12:44 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.Aztec 1/27/04 12:54 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.KOPD 1/27/04 12:55 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Kind of a jerk, aren't ya.Stefander 1/27/04 1:36 a.m.
                                                           Re: Bygones and such...Aztec 1/27/04 12:02 a.m.
                                               Re: End of the EvaluationCount Zero 1/26/04 9:53 p.m.
                                                     Re: End of the EvaluationNick 1/26/04 10:23 p.m.
                                                           Re: End of the EvaluationWado SG 1/27/04 12:32 a.m.
                                                                 Re: End of the EvaluationNick 1/27/04 1:12 a.m.
                                                                       Re: End of the EvaluationCount Zero 1/27/04 3:01 a.m.
                                                                             Re: End of the EvaluationNick 1/27/04 4:02 a.m.
                                                                                   Enough.Louis Wu 1/27/04 5:56 a.m.
                                                                                         A final retort.Nick 1/27/04 7:02 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: A final retort.Louis Wu 1/27/04 7:26 a.m.
                                                                                                     This is exactly what I'm talking about.Nick 1/27/04 1:51 p.m.
                                                                                                           For the record...KOPD 1/27/04 2:06 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: This is exactly what I'm talking about.Count Zero 1/27/04 9:15 p.m.
                       Lies!Lt Devon 1/26/04 7:12 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 Uses Havok 2 Physics EngineSledgefare 1/26/04 11:19 a.m.



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