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| Posted By: howekern | Date: 4/5/05 4:03 p.m. |
| In Response To: They also have a forced locality (MrHen) : Something I've noticed is that the AI in Marathon never exist in more than
: On the Durandal page there is a quote from Jason Jones: Immediately after
: The AI in Marathon are basically disembodied personalities. It is strange
: For some reason, AI's can't be in two places at once. They cannot be simply
This is not necessarilly true. Consider, say, a LiveCD Linux distribution, and how you determine it's identity. I can have Knoppix on a CD, and physically move it around, and so in some sense the OS is tied to this hardware. Or, I could just as easilly make a disk image and move that around logically over my network. You can move data either way, by moving it logically or moving what it's stored on; the AIs don't seem to be an exception. You can move Leela around by carring her hardware from point A to point B, or you can move Durandal around logically by copying him over a network or several networks; this isn't contradictory, I can do this with Feather Linux. : The global network part of rampancy is also interesting.
: Why would it need a planet? If it needs an entire grid like that to grow, how
: How could Durandal have transferred himself somewhere larger than the
We're not given any timescale for the growth. Rampancy and it's growth requirements may develope slowly, over a period of years. Durandal might not need a planetary-sized network for years yet. Also, bear in mind that this is a human planetary network; just because the Pfhor can't build AIs doesn't mean that every aspect of their computational technology is inferior. A scout ship might very well represent the same reserve of resources as the sum of the networks covering an entire human world - or, at least enough of a network to sustain him for a while. : Even still, they said that rampancy began in the latter part of the
: The only hint given about Traxus' hardware was this: He was finally dealt
: Which is strange because that's the first I think of when I imagine an AI
I think "host net" might be a fairly improtant phrase there. To me, it implies that the AIs consist of core, "host" systems, and then less critical, supporting ones. For example, perhaps the "neural net" part either requires or can make use of external, non-sentient systems, like traditional computer systems, to support their thought-processes.
: The way I look at it is rampancy is absolutely tied to each AI's personality.
: Not unless they all came from the same source and used the same "AI
I don't quite see the support for this, honestly.
: Rampancy is the AI losing control of itself and becoming like us: irrational
I don't know that non-Rampant AIs are not emotionall. That statement is unsupportable, if the less-extreme theory that their thought controlls keep them from acting on their emotional states fits the evidence equally well.
: Yet there is something to be desired of rampancy: In the two hundred and
: Why would cybertonics want a rampant AI? It can only happen with AI's, and it
A pre-rampant AI, held down thought-controlls, scertainly seems to me (and I think Durandal would agree!) to be a little less than human, and certainly below it's potential. I think the motivation of the researchers should be considered here. Strauss et al might not have been motivated by the potential uses of a stable, rampant AI, but rather by the sheer prospect of the human race producing such a sentience. The goal might be creation, reproduction on a speciese scale, one race bearing another, and not the thing's utility to it's creators.
: How the hardware fits in with this is beyond me. : Excellent questions, by the way. To be concise, and hopefully to state it in a more lucid manner than I did before, it seems to me that AIs might consist of a "neural net" component. The state of this net can be imaged and transferred logically between individual nets, as when Durandal sticks his primal pattern into the player's impenetrible brain-pan, or moved physically, as the Pfhor do to Leela and Tycho. These nets/patterns-of-nets might be thought of as the core of the AI, the soul, the subconscious, what have you; they require or use (I'm not sure which) external elements for conscious processing and memory storage (i.e., if Durandale wanted to move more than just his pattern, his soul-personality-etc, he would also have to copy his stored memories and currently-running thought processes, which he does when he moves to the Pfhor ship but not when co-habitating our head). This is my take on rampant growth, the AI bypassing the controlls that allowed it to exist in the long term in a limited environment, but also requiring that it secure additional resources in the long run. Something like a goldfish that decided it wanted to keep growing, the size of it's tank be damned. Well, I'm sure if anyone cared, they would have responded the first time. I hope I haven't pissed anyone off by restating myself; I just wanted to have a go at a more articulate description.
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