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Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)
Posted By: SonGoharotto <SonGoharotto@gmail.com>Date: 1/15/13 3:14 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1) (RC Master)


: Well I was more thinking along the lines if you wanted to treated the grenade
: slots as a more generic 'throwable, consumable device' and have several
: different types, of which you choose a maximum of two. Instead of ones
: that just explode in slightly different ways and do damage, there could be
: ones that have EMP or gravity effects, or generate a temporary, stationary
: shield to block damage instead of dealing it.

: Sort of like, nerfed Equipment type things, that you can carry two and are
: more readily available than equipment was, so you don't horde it as much.

: Pie in the sky stuff. :P

Eeehhh, it's not a bad idea. But I'm not keen on twisting a leg of the Golden Triangle quite that much. (There's a reason that works, after all.) I would rather keep the equipment-type stuff separate.

: Well HUDs are easier to talk about. Trying to imagine how the choice between
: Sprint or Jetpack would affect the game is much, much more difficult. If
: Reach is any indication, I suspect that some maps will overwhelmingly
: favour one or the other. Having the Jetpack compete for attention/use
: against several other useful abilities naturally nerfs it's use. I think
: that is overall the better choice, since Sprint is very nice to always
: have.

The way I'm looking at it, always having Sprint available in H4 has had a large impact on level design, and not necessarily for the better. Would you say the campaign is improved by having exceptionally long, empty hallways, or redundant objectives scattered across mirror/paste environments to pad game length, because you can do everything faster now?

I know not everyone likes the idea of Sprint vs Jetpack, but then, not everyone wanted to see Sprint added to Halo in the first place.

In regards to encounter design, Jetpack can give you a big advantage against some enemies, but others will actively counter you for using it. Sprint/Evade is handy for dealing with enemies that are especially aggressive/cautious, but being restricted to pedestrian action has its own challenges.

: I suspect that sprint having a constantly varying speed and having an
: associated melee-damage modifier will make it feel inconsistent in
: practice.

I'm not 100% committed to the idea, but I think it could work.

I don't find Sprint in H4 all that useful, to be honest. I never feel like I'm going much faster, so it's just not worth lowering my weapon when I could be checking angles.

: And do all grenades have a cooking mechanic? It seems like a
: weird idea when Halo's grenades have activation requirements.

I think the way it would apply to frag and plasma grenades, at least, is fairly straight forward. Just throwing a frag, the timer doesn't trigger until it rebounds off some surface; cooking it means it will explode after, say, traveling X number of meters. It should be predictable enough that you can use it as an air burst, such as creating flak for incoming Banshees or surprising someone behind cover.

Likewise, the plasma grenade explodes as soon as it contacts something, whether that thing is a wall, an enemy, or a vehicle. Naturally, the trade-off is that you have to hold it in your hand for a moment, which prevents other actions. For the sake of simplicity, the act of cooking could behave as alt-fire, like overcharging a Plasma Pistol; it doesn't fire the burst if you released the trigger early.

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Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)SonGoharotto 1/11/13 12:32 a.m.
     Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)Chewbaccawakka 1/11/13 2:25 a.m.
           Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)SonGoharotto 1/11/13 12:08 p.m.
     Goddamn, this sucked me in. Good Write Up! *NM*zoojoo 1/11/13 5:19 p.m.
           1 thing thoughzoojoo 1/11/13 9:06 p.m.
                 Re: 1 thing thoughuberfoop 1/11/13 9:18 p.m.
                       Re: 1 thing thoughzoojoo 1/12/13 9:29 a.m.
                             Re: 1 thing thoughSonGoharotto 1/12/13 11:00 a.m.
                                   Re: 1 thing thoughRC Master 1/12/13 11:48 a.m.
                                         Re: 1 thing thoughSonGoharotto 1/12/13 12:36 p.m.
     Wow, good stuff.NsU Soldier 1/11/13 6:27 p.m.
           Re: Wow, good stuff.SonGoharotto 1/11/13 7:47 p.m.
                 Re: Wow, good stuff.Chewbaccawakka 1/11/13 7:54 p.m.
                       Re: Wow, good stuff.SonGoharotto 1/11/13 8:06 p.m.
                             An additional thoughtSonGoharotto 1/12/13 12:53 a.m.
                                   Re: An additional thoughtChewbaccawakka 1/12/13 1:18 a.m.
     It sucks.GrimBrother One 1/11/13 7:02 p.m.
           I was just grabbing random names *NM*SonGoharotto 1/11/13 7:48 p.m.
                 Oh suuuuuuure. ;-) *NM*GrimBrother One 1/11/13 7:56 p.m.
                       Hey...Louis Wu 1/12/13 9:10 a.m.
                             In all fairness...SonGoharotto 1/12/13 11:01 a.m.
                                   lolLouis Wu 1/12/13 11:29 a.m.
           You're just mad I took your flag. *NM*General Vagueness 1/12/13 8:47 p.m.
     I am intrigued. *NM*Leisandir 1/11/13 7:38 p.m.
     Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)Nighend 1/11/13 9:04 p.m.
           Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)SonGoharotto 1/12/13 12:46 a.m.
     Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)scarab 1/12/13 7:32 a.m.
           Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)SonGoharotto 1/12/13 11:10 a.m.
           Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)General Vagueness 1/12/13 10:01 p.m.
                 Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)scarab 1/13/13 10:07 a.m.
     Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)scarab 1/12/13 8:21 a.m.
           Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)SonGoharotto 1/12/13 11:15 a.m.
                 Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)Chewbaccawakka 1/13/13 3:10 a.m.
                       Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)General Vagueness 1/13/13 9:38 a.m.
                             Pulse grenade: Polishing a turd.scarab 1/14/13 4:47 a.m.
                                   Re: Pulse grenade: Polishing a turd.NsU Soldier 1/14/13 5:16 a.m.
                                   You need to freeze it first. *NM*Quirel 1/14/13 2:30 p.m.
     Cleaner HUDscarab 1/12/13 8:38 a.m.
           TrueSonGoharotto 1/12/13 11:22 a.m.
     Some thoughts.Quirel 1/13/13 6:51 p.m.
           Re: Some thoughts.SonGoharotto 1/13/13 7:35 p.m.
                 Re: Some thoughts.Quirel 1/13/13 10:54 p.m.
                       Re: Some thoughts.SonGoharotto 1/13/13 11:11 p.m.
                             Re: Some thoughts.Quirel 1/13/13 11:32 p.m.
                 Re: Some thoughts.General Vagueness 1/13/13 11:37 p.m.
                       Re: Some thoughts.SonGoharotto 1/14/13 12:42 a.m.
                             Re: Some thoughts.General Vagueness 1/14/13 8:36 p.m.
                                   Re: Some thoughts.SonGoharotto 1/14/13 10:40 p.m.
                                         Re: Some thoughts.General Vagueness 1/16/13 8:53 a.m.
                                               Re: Some thoughts.SonGoharotto 1/16/13 11:10 a.m.
                                                     Re: Some thoughts.General Vagueness 1/17/13 12:55 a.m.
                                                           Re: Some thoughts.SonGoharotto 1/17/13 12:41 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Some thoughts.General Vagueness 1/18/13 12:04 a.m.
     Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)RC Master 1/14/13 3:09 p.m.
           Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)SonGoharotto 1/14/13 4:29 p.m.
                 Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)uberfoop 1/14/13 11:58 p.m.
                 Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)RC Master 1/15/13 10:52 a.m.
                       Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)SonGoharotto 1/15/13 3:14 p.m.
                       Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)General Vagueness 1/16/13 9:09 a.m.
                             inventory management suxscarab 1/16/13 9:34 a.m.
     Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)scarab 1/15/13 11:05 a.m.
           Re: Halo: Revolution - A Mock Game Doc (Part 1)SonGoharotto 1/15/13 11:45 a.m.



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