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Re: Well that's whack
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 6/24/11 1:16 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Well that's whack (Louis Wu)


: You seem to have missed my point.

: I wasn't suggesting you should stop speculating about what's coming down the
: pike. I took issue with the TONE of your speculation - rather than asking
: questions in a neutral way ("I wonder how this will be
: resolved?"), you're asking them with an obviously negative bias
: ("this suggests X, and X is bad. I wonder how bad X will be?").

I do not subscribe to the fairness doctrine. I do not consider myself bound to take a neutral tone. I will take the tone that it strikes me to take after viewing the available materials, and that's what I've done. I have considered, as you suggested, that merely my knowing that the franchise has changed hands may be affecting my perception of those materials.

As a result I have weighed, in my mind, the risk of my opinion being not worth expressing to others because of this prejudice, and that being unfair to 343i, against the risk of my concerns being relevant. As such I decided, after avoiding it for awhile after viewing the materials, to speak more about it. It was the jetpack discussion that set me off, I actually hadn't intended to "review" the materials by themselves, and eventually I even decided against doing the usual frame-by-frame post that I have in the past, simply because the prospect is a bit depressing. I may end up having to change my mind, if only to clearly document that I think my concerns and solidly based in the materials themselves, and not merely a result of prejudice against 343i because they are not Bungie.

More specifically regarding the above, if I saw equal possibilities for good and bad resolutions, I still might have taken a more "neutral" stance-- however, I do not. The incongruous elements in the Halo 4 trailer have several possible negative consequences that I can see easily. Positive consequences I do not see, and that alone is an asymmetry I felt worthy of being pointed out. Others have posted what they consider to be potential positive resolutions, but I don't see any of those as being positive. The only possible positive outcome I see is either ignoring those elements, or an admission that they were included not to represent canonical fact but simply for visual impact-- however, that's not a positive resolution, that's merely a mitigation of the negative impact.

: You never did this for Bungie games, that I saw. (In fact, as you mention,
: you were generally optimistic going into those - your speculation was
: biased TOWARDS them, if anything.)

Following the release of Halo 1 that's generally true, although even before that, I think delivering Myth I & II as well as Marathon 1 & 2 warrants some benefit of the doubt.

However, without digging up particular posts I do specifically remember expressing some concern about the console move, given that Bungie games were never particularly heavy on cutting-edge graphics technology, the way iD Software always was, and that this is where the console market in general and the Xbox in particular was headed-- more towards the kind of photorealistic graphics that were traditionally the domain of PC games. I expressed some skepticism that while it was great for Bungie to be the big fish in the small pond of Macintosh gaming (with added benefits from the cross-platform releases of Myth-- not so much Marathon 2) trying to make a shooter on the console might be biting off more than Bungie can chew. Even so, I think Bungie's track record probably did soften the tone of those doubts just a bit. As an entity, 343i has no such record, even if many of the individuals that make it up, do. However I would accept it as axiomatic that while the whole can end up being more than the sum of all its parts, just as often it can end up being less, and I would say that the context in which all these transactions have occurred lean more towards negative outcomes than positive ones.

: I was simply pointing this out. I wasn't asking you to stop speculating - or
: even to stop highlighting potential areas of concern. I was just
: suggesting that you consider the tone.

The suggestion is certainly warranted and well appreciated; however, at the moment, I feel the tone of the posts I have written is, more or less, an accurate representation of my reaction to the materials, and that is all they seek to represent. If anything they do not represent the full extent of my skepticism, and I have self-edited in some of the threads to make my tone less negative than what what I originally wrote. Perhaps I was not as effective at doing this as I thought, or perhaps I actually feel more badly than I realized.

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