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Re: Well that's whack
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 6/23/11 12:59 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Well that's whack (Bry)


: *shrugs* Its answer enough for me. By saying it'll make sense, I'm going to
: trust the man and believe the answer to the question that was asked will
: become clear at the time.
: Simples.

Couldn't we just assume that as a standard response to any unanswered question, and then not bother asking them, then? What do we expect him to say? Not everything done turns out to make sense. Are we expecting that when we ask questions like this, sometimes Frankie will say that it's going to turn out to be good and make sense, and that on other times, he'll say that it won't really make sense? We're never going to get any answer other than "trust me" and "it'll all make sense". If that's okay by you, that's fine-- but then asking questions really does become a pointless exercise. If not, then I think it's reasonable, without expecting to receive the entirety of the game prior to release-- to ask for a tiny bit of more information in response to the specific question, "in what way will this make sense?"

Will it make sense as information imparted by one fictional character (GS) to another (MC)? Or will it make sense as information imparted by the developer to their customers? This would seem to me to be a rather basic and essential question, one that only a few months before release, presumably even fewer months before Golden Master, would already have been determined and does not constitute a spoiler. Is there really more harm in answering this question than there is in the unexpected reaction of those who are legitimately concerned that too much information may lessen Halo 1's dramatic tension, or that those expecting a cameo by Guilty Spark will be disappointed in a glorified developer diary?

If if it turns out not to make sense-- or, at least, not appear to make the same amount of sense to everyone-- would that make Frankie's answer wrong, or just, as I am suggesting, vague?

: Not that this really has anything to do with the initial post I made in the
: first place which was specifically just referring to the idea that Guilty
: Spark was deliberately withholding information and misleading MC.
: Something that Avateur has remembered and acknowledged since as not really
: being the case.

Just because the problem was initially mischaracterized and then recanted (the mischaracterization, not the problem) and Frankie acknowledged the issue without responding to it doesn't mean it's been answered.

Without deliberately withholding or distorting information, the relationship with Guilty Spark develops dramatic tension because of the difference between what GS assumes the MC knows, and what the MC actually knows.

If the terminals feature some of this information, and it is presented as an in-game communication between GS and MC, this will necessarily remove some of this tension. If it is intended as a sort of aside, from the developers to the players, with the voice of GS as a nod, that's an entirely different thing. It is a question mostly of presentation but it is still an essential one; it is diminished not one whit by the admission that GS doesn't really lie, or Frankie's assertion that it will all make sense. Perhaps it will, but is there really much harm in addressing whether this exchange is in-character or not?

: And a lot of the assumptions and especially the negativity when people do
: 'speculate' has been really getting to me since HCEA and Halo 4 were
: revealed.

Well I guess we'll just need to grant each other permission to get on each other's nerves, then, because the way I see it, there's no justification for a default position of optimism when a franchise changes hands-- any franchise. Halo is no exception, and the materials released so far have raised some questions (HCEA) and been much less than reassuring (H4).

rampancy.net


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Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Elzarthebam 6/20/11 6:54 a.m.
     Its good to hear that voice again! *NM*Myyke 6/20/11 7:07 a.m.
     Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!mattroe 6/20/11 7:08 a.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!nomis78 6/20/11 7:10 a.m.
                 Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Hedgemony 6/20/11 7:24 a.m.
                       Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Bry 6/20/11 9:21 a.m.
                             Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Hedgemony 6/20/11 10:56 a.m.
                                   Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Bry 6/20/11 11:14 a.m.
                       Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Leviathan 6/20/11 11:02 a.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Myyke 6/20/11 7:20 a.m.
                 Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Myyke 6/20/11 7:23 a.m.
                       Hear hear!ZackDark 6/20/11 7:51 a.m.
                 Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!CaneCutter 6/20/11 8:46 a.m.
                       Ditto. Can't get enough of it *NM*mattroe 6/21/11 6:59 a.m.
                 Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Li11y32 6/21/11 5:38 p.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!scarab 6/20/11 8:00 a.m.
           Why can't they simply remaster the music?The BS Police 6/20/11 8:05 a.m.
     Damn you!sharpsniper99 6/20/11 7:21 a.m.
     I don't know I to feel about this.Revenant1988 6/20/11 7:44 a.m.
           Re: I don't know I to feel about this.ZackDark 6/20/11 7:56 a.m.
           Re: I don't know I to feel about this.mattroe 6/20/11 7:59 a.m.
                 Re: I don't know I to feel about this.Revenant1988 6/20/11 8:05 a.m.
                       COME ON GUYS0postmortem0 6/20/11 10:42 a.m.
                             On the other hand...0postmortem0 6/20/11 10:49 a.m.
           Re: I don't know I to feel about this.BanditORR 6/20/11 8:46 a.m.
                 Re: I don't know I to feel about this.Avateur 6/20/11 8:54 a.m.
           Re: I don't know I to feel about this.Avateur 6/20/11 8:49 a.m.
                 Re: I don't know I to feel about this.Archilen 6/20/11 9:05 a.m.
     Re: Music sounds amazing *NM* *NM*hotshot revan 6/20/11 8:02 a.m.
     Well that's whackAvateur 6/20/11 8:45 a.m.
           Re: Well that's whackBry 6/20/11 9:30 a.m.
                 Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/20/11 11:48 a.m.
                 Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/22/11 12:16 a.m.
                       Re: Well that's whackBry 6/22/11 5:29 a.m.
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                                   Re: Well that's whackBry 6/22/11 6:12 a.m.
                                         Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/23/11 12:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Well that's whackLouis Wu 6/22/11 6:59 a.m.
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                                                           Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/24/11 12:56 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Well that's whackCody Miller 6/24/11 1:26 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Well that's whackHedgemony 6/24/11 2:19 a.m.
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                                                                       Re: Well that's whackCody Miller 6/24/11 11:01 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Well that's whackBry 6/24/11 11:37 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/24/11 12:25 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Well that's whackBry 6/24/11 1:01 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/24/11 1:48 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Well that's whackLouis Wu 6/24/11 1:52 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/24/11 2:29 p.m.
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                                                                                                                       Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/24/11 2:44 p.m.
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                                                                             Re: Well that's whackLouis Wu 6/24/11 1:04 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Well that's whackCody Miller 6/24/11 2:07 p.m.
                                         Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/23/11 1:18 a.m.
                                               Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/23/11 1:46 a.m.
                                               Re: Well that's whackLouis Wu 6/23/11 7:14 a.m.
                                                     Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/24/11 1:16 a.m.
                                               Re: Well that's whackGravemind 6/23/11 12:30 p.m.
           Re: Well that's whackFrankie 6/21/11 4:41 p.m.
                 Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/21/11 4:59 p.m.
                       Re: Well that's whackGravemind 6/21/11 6:21 p.m.
     Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Archilen 6/20/11 8:59 a.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Ynation913 6/20/11 10:38 a.m.
     Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Azo 'Galvat 6/20/11 10:54 a.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Chewbeccawacca 6/20/11 12:16 p.m.
     Hmmm....Leviathan 6/20/11 11:11 a.m.
           Re: Hmmm....Avateur 6/20/11 12:14 p.m.
                 Re: Hmmm....Leviathan 6/20/11 12:20 p.m.
                       Re: Hmmm....Avateur 6/20/11 12:40 p.m.
                             Re: Hmmm....0postmortem0 6/20/11 12:55 p.m.
                                   Re: Hmmm....Avateur 6/20/11 1:02 p.m.
                                   Re: Hmmm....Leisandir 6/20/11 1:45 p.m.
                                         Re: Hmmm....Louis Wu 6/20/11 2:03 p.m.
                                               Re: Hmmm....Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/20/11 5:26 p.m.
                                                     Re: Hmmm....Louis Wu 6/20/11 5:42 p.m.
                                                           Re: Hmmm....Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/20/11 6:19 p.m.
                                   Re: Hmmm....scarab 6/20/11 3:05 p.m.
                                         Re: Hmmm....0postmortem0 6/20/11 5:25 p.m.
                                               Re: Hmmm....scarab 6/21/11 1:04 a.m.
     Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Cody Miller 6/20/11 5:58 p.m.
           Re: People have forgotten the Geashotshot revan 6/21/11 5:12 a.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!General Vagueness 6/21/11 8:06 p.m.



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