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Re: Well that's whack
Posted By: Avateur <avateur@gmail.com>Date: 6/23/11 1:46 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Well that's whack (Narcogen)


: That's fine. It's just that now I'm catching flack for pointing out that
: Frankie didn't actually answer the question, and referring me to his
: response as if it does answer the question. Which it doesn't. I've read it
: and I can tell it doesn't answer the question.

: All I'm asking is for people to admit that his response was not an answer. If
: whether the terminals are in-character or not is a trade secret at this
: point, that's fine.

I tried restating the question, even acknowledging that what he said about Guilty Spark could work, but he still won't make clear whether this is meta or not. And then I stated that I hope if it is directed at Master Chief, I hope they don't reveal or ruin too much of the flow of the game and the story.

The marketing with both of these games all around sucks. Some things are being kept secret for absolutely no reason, and other things are being said with little or no clarifying information, causing anger and confusion with the fans. I've already covered my issues with marketing the Halo 4 trailer and with Anniversary, so I won't rehash that in this thread.

: No, I'm asking whether or not the information is to be presented as an
: in-character exchange or not. If it is, then the only way the question can
: be answered of if it will damage the dramatic tension or not is to see the
: actual materials-- and I know better than to ask in advance what they are.
: At that point I would probably only bother to mention aloud that I hope
: 343 will resist the temptation to put in too much material and thereby
: damage the dramatic tension, because the possibility exists.

Exactly my problem/what I'm asking/just said. lol :P

: Of course, if the exchange is not in-character, then no matter what
: information they put into them, it can't possibly affect dramatic tension,
: and all the nasty, pessimistic nay-sayers like myself can go back to
: nattering about jetpacks, I guess.

I don't know if the point to Halo Anniversary is strictly targeting people who played the original. This is a huge opportunity for Microsoft to introduce H1 to a mass audience that may have been too young (or not even born, gasp) at the time it was released. Who knows how many people have never played H1, and this will essentially be their first journey into the campaign and story that started it all. The risk of these Terminals being strictly meta is that it has the ability to completely ruin the tone and circumstances of the initial (or even first 10) playthroughs of a new player. If these Terminals are well hidden, who knows if they'd even find them, and thus it'd be relatively pristine. If they're blatantly obvious like in H3 (give or take one or two), well I guess that'd suck.

This new information is definitely a cause of concern. I like the idea of the Terminals, but I'm seriously not liking this Guilty Spark idea (though it definitely can work, and I think there are many many ways for them to make it work). Wu said something about them being species based or whatever, but that doesn't really answer if Guilty Spark is voicing every single one or not. The Terminals are going to alter gameplay and player perspective regardless. It'd be nice to get an answer to meta vs. Master Chief, because then we'll know the risks either way, can strongly hope that 343 Industries gets it right, and can then drop it until we see it.

: I was skeptical about Bungie's ability to pull off a AAA console shooter,
: even after all the good Mac/PC games they did. If I'm naturally skeptical
: about what 343i is about to do with Halo, especially in light of my
: general opinion of most of the extra materials (which is not
: overwhelmingly positive) on the basis of what references is this
: skepticism to be counted as unjustified? Is 343i now, with no releases
: whatsoever to their credit, to be accorded more benefit of the doubt than
: I accorded Bungie more than a decade ago?

No. I have more thoughts on this but I've been working really hard to keep those to myself until I actually see Anniversary and Halo 4 in my own Xbox, with a controller in my own hands, and the ability to play through them. But no, they do not deserve more benefit of the doubt than Bungie, and I think some people would argue that they haven't earned the right to any benefit of the doubt with the absence of any releases of their own. Do I have a lot of faith in their getting the things right? Yes, and mostly because of some of the people who I know are working over there. It doesn't mean I'm not cautious as hell and that I'm not going to ask questions or point out things that I think might be mistakes. I also appreciate your critiques and views on many things (even the ones I disagree with), just so you know. Keep doing what you do! Just my two cents.

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Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Elzarthebam 6/20/11 6:54 a.m.
     Its good to hear that voice again! *NM*Myyke 6/20/11 7:07 a.m.
     Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!mattroe 6/20/11 7:08 a.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!nomis78 6/20/11 7:10 a.m.
                 Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Hedgemony 6/20/11 7:24 a.m.
                       Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Bry 6/20/11 9:21 a.m.
                             Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Hedgemony 6/20/11 10:56 a.m.
                                   Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Bry 6/20/11 11:14 a.m.
                       Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Leviathan 6/20/11 11:02 a.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Myyke 6/20/11 7:20 a.m.
                 Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Myyke 6/20/11 7:23 a.m.
                       Hear hear!ZackDark 6/20/11 7:51 a.m.
                 Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!CaneCutter 6/20/11 8:46 a.m.
                       Ditto. Can't get enough of it *NM*mattroe 6/21/11 6:59 a.m.
                 Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Li11y32 6/21/11 5:38 p.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!scarab 6/20/11 8:00 a.m.
           Why can't they simply remaster the music?The BS Police 6/20/11 8:05 a.m.
     Damn you!sharpsniper99 6/20/11 7:21 a.m.
     I don't know I to feel about this.Revenant1988 6/20/11 7:44 a.m.
           Re: I don't know I to feel about this.ZackDark 6/20/11 7:56 a.m.
           Re: I don't know I to feel about this.mattroe 6/20/11 7:59 a.m.
                 Re: I don't know I to feel about this.Revenant1988 6/20/11 8:05 a.m.
                       COME ON GUYS0postmortem0 6/20/11 10:42 a.m.
                             On the other hand...0postmortem0 6/20/11 10:49 a.m.
           Re: I don't know I to feel about this.BanditORR 6/20/11 8:46 a.m.
                 Re: I don't know I to feel about this.Avateur 6/20/11 8:54 a.m.
           Re: I don't know I to feel about this.Avateur 6/20/11 8:49 a.m.
                 Re: I don't know I to feel about this.Archilen 6/20/11 9:05 a.m.
     Re: Music sounds amazing *NM* *NM*hotshot revan 6/20/11 8:02 a.m.
     Well that's whackAvateur 6/20/11 8:45 a.m.
           Re: Well that's whackBry 6/20/11 9:30 a.m.
                 Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/20/11 11:48 a.m.
                 Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/22/11 12:16 a.m.
                       Re: Well that's whackBry 6/22/11 5:29 a.m.
                             Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/22/11 5:50 a.m.
                                   Re: Well that's whackBry 6/22/11 6:12 a.m.
                                         Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/23/11 12:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Well that's whackLouis Wu 6/22/11 6:59 a.m.
                                         Re: Well that's whackBry 6/22/11 7:04 a.m.
                                               Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/23/11 1:20 a.m.
                                                     Re: Well that's whackBry 6/23/11 5:15 a.m.
                                                           Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/23/11 11:52 a.m.
                                                           Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/24/11 12:56 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Well that's whackCody Miller 6/24/11 1:26 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Well that's whackHedgemony 6/24/11 2:19 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/24/11 2:54 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Well that's whackGeneral Vagueness 6/24/11 8:54 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Well that's whackBry 6/24/11 10:37 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Well that's whackCody Miller 6/24/11 11:01 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Well that's whackBry 6/24/11 11:37 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/24/11 12:25 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Well that's whackBry 6/24/11 1:01 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/24/11 1:48 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Well that's whackLouis Wu 6/24/11 1:52 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/24/11 2:29 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Well that's whackLouis Wu 6/24/11 2:39 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/24/11 2:44 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Well that's whackGeneral Vagueness 6/24/11 5:17 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/24/11 8:47 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Well that's whackLouis Wu 6/24/11 1:04 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Well that's whackCody Miller 6/24/11 2:07 p.m.
                                         Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/23/11 1:18 a.m.
                                               Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/23/11 1:46 a.m.
                                               Re: Well that's whackLouis Wu 6/23/11 7:14 a.m.
                                                     Re: Well that's whackNarcogen 6/24/11 1:16 a.m.
                                               Re: Well that's whackGravemind 6/23/11 12:30 p.m.
           Re: Well that's whackFrankie 6/21/11 4:41 p.m.
                 Re: Well that's whackAvateur 6/21/11 4:59 p.m.
                       Re: Well that's whackGravemind 6/21/11 6:21 p.m.
     Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Archilen 6/20/11 8:59 a.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Ynation913 6/20/11 10:38 a.m.
     Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Azo 'Galvat 6/20/11 10:54 a.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Chewbeccawacca 6/20/11 12:16 p.m.
     Hmmm....Leviathan 6/20/11 11:11 a.m.
           Re: Hmmm....Avateur 6/20/11 12:14 p.m.
                 Re: Hmmm....Leviathan 6/20/11 12:20 p.m.
                       Re: Hmmm....Avateur 6/20/11 12:40 p.m.
                             Re: Hmmm....0postmortem0 6/20/11 12:55 p.m.
                                   Re: Hmmm....Avateur 6/20/11 1:02 p.m.
                                   Re: Hmmm....Leisandir 6/20/11 1:45 p.m.
                                         Re: Hmmm....Louis Wu 6/20/11 2:03 p.m.
                                               Re: Hmmm....Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/20/11 5:26 p.m.
                                                     Re: Hmmm....Louis Wu 6/20/11 5:42 p.m.
                                                           Re: Hmmm....Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/20/11 6:19 p.m.
                                   Re: Hmmm....scarab 6/20/11 3:05 p.m.
                                         Re: Hmmm....0postmortem0 6/20/11 5:25 p.m.
                                               Re: Hmmm....scarab 6/21/11 1:04 a.m.
     Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!Cody Miller 6/20/11 5:58 p.m.
           Re: People have forgotten the Geashotshot revan 6/21/11 5:12 a.m.
           Re: Hear guilty spark speak in HCE:A!General Vagueness 6/21/11 8:06 p.m.



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